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DaveO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:48 pm

josie andrews wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:29 pm

Charriots Offiah wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:17 pm

I think it was.

I said the same thing.

If it was it has cost the club a lot of money with a potential return to Wembley gone.

The club meeds to forget about Vegas. Ever since they have returned the club has seemingly not stopped talking about it and how successful it was etc. Maybe. the players think they are yhe God’s gift and it has gone to their heads but they can forget about all that now. Beaten by a poor team simply because of attitude in my opinion.

Have to agree with you Dave,I remember back to the pointless strip down under to play hull a few years back the whole season seemed to be derailed even if the got to Wembley the whole team looked for wasn’t of a better word fragile and while there’s plenty of time to correct this I do feel the signs are here in this team,this is going to be a real test of Peets man management skills I have confidence he can do it mind you.

The vegas folly needs as you rightly point out needs to be forgotten about now it’s in the past and heads need to be turned toward the real start of the season on 18th April I just hope the sums add up from the American folly against the loss of a Wembley appearance I’m not sure they will

Big Steve wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:06 am Credit to Hull and the new coaching team, they showed the attitude and desire to stick in the game when they would have folded last year.

We persisted with keeping Adam on the pitch far too long, it was obvious that he couldn't defend and it had a knock on with everyone else on that side overcompensating. Hull had the ideal half in Sezer to exploit that. One for the coaching team to learn from,

The bigger problem though was our lack of discipline with the ball in the 2nd half. So many times we gave away pens, lost the ball, didn't finish sets. We only needed to keep the pressure on in their half and we had a big enough lead to defend it,

We seem to have the odd game every season where our discipline just goes very ragged - the players are human after all.....

I think the big takeaway for me is, not to take winning for granted, enjoy the wins when you get them as we can't win everything, and cut the team some slack when they have the odd f*ck up .

Bob on for me!
Maybe one of the few positives is that it really shows how much of an achievement the last 18 months have been.

Well, that was grim watching and I don't just mean the appalling BBC coverage.
Practically everyone had an off day excepting Forber who was outstanding in a beaten pack in the second half and that includes the referee who had a poor game.
The tactical switch when Field went off was hard to understand and I'm with Bilko who said the best changes are the simplest. Eckersley to FB - Keighran to the wing Bevan to stay in the halves and Faz/Walters to centre.
Eckersley's deficiencies in defence which were on show last week cost us badly.
It looked as if Hull understood that no Video ref meant a license to foul. Keighran's injury would have been picked up by a video ref with a minimum sinbin and maybe worse. It looked like a deliberate late and dangerous shot. There was also a likely captain's challenge over a Hull knockon that wasn't spotted.
Not sure whether it would have changed the result but Keighran would have been able to kick and defend better, which might have influenced the decision to move him around in the halves.
We should still have won against a fairly poor Hull side and the only positive is that it might concentrate minds for the rest of the season.

A totally bad performance all round from MP to team but what does worry me is our defense seams to have gone backwards this season

Big Steve wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:06 am Credit to Hull and the new coaching team, they showed the attitude and desire to stick in the game when they would have folded last year.

We persisted with keeping Adam on the pitch far too long, it was obvious that he couldn't defend and it had a knock on with everyone else on that side overcompensating. Hull had the ideal half in Sezer to exploit that. One for the coaching team to learn from,

The bigger problem though was our lack of discipline with the ball in the 2nd half. So many times we gave away pens, lost the ball, didn't finish sets. We only needed to keep the pressure on in their half and we had a big enough lead to defend it,

We seem to have the odd game every season where our discipline just goes very ragged - the players are human after all.....

I think the big takeaway for me is, not to take winning for granted, enjoy the wins when you get them as we can't win everything, and cut the team some slack when they have the odd f*ck up .

Well said

fozzie58 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:09 am

DaveO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:48 pm

josie andrews wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:29 pm

I said the same thing.

If it was it has cost the club a lot of money with a potential return to Wembley gone.

The club meeds to forget about Vegas. Ever since they have returned the club has seemingly not stopped talking about it and how successful it was etc. Maybe. the players think they are yhe God’s gift and it has gone to their heads but they can forget about all that now. Beaten by a poor team simply because of attitude in my opinion.

Have to agree with you Dave,I remember back to the pointless strip down under to play hull a few years back the whole season seemed to be derailed even if the got to Wembley the whole team looked for wasn’t of a better word fragile and while there’s plenty of time to correct this I do feel the signs are here in this team,this is going to be a real test of Peets man management skills I have confidence he can do it mind you.

The vegas folly needs as you rightly point out needs to be forgotten about now it’s in the past and heads need to be turned toward the real start of the season on 18th April I just hope the sums add up from the American folly against the loss of a Wembley appearance I’m not sure they will

It is my understanding the trip cost Wigan quite a bit on money. I finished watching the documentary and the fact Wigan were going to Vegas features in the last episode. All Rads idea and he obviously thought he had organised something special as if he was running the RFL and this was some great initiative. He needs to get back to earth and focus on Wigan. I don’t think anyone outside of Wigsm RL gives a toss Vegas trip.

DaveO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 11:56 am

fozzie58 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:09 am

DaveO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:48 pm

If it was it has cost the club a lot of money with a potential return to Wembley gone.

The club meeds to forget about Vegas. Ever since they have returned the club has seemingly not stopped talking about it and how successful it was etc. Maybe. the players think they are yhe God’s gift and it has gone to their heads but they can forget about all that now. Beaten by a poor team simply because of attitude in my opinion.

Have to agree with you Dave,I remember back to the pointless strip down under to play hull a few years back the whole season seemed to be derailed even if the got to Wembley the whole team looked for wasn’t of a better word fragile and while there’s plenty of time to correct this I do feel the signs are here in this team,this is going to be a real test of Peets man management skills I have confidence he can do it mind you.

The vegas folly needs as you rightly point out needs to be forgotten about now it’s in the past and heads need to be turned toward the real start of the season on 18th April I just hope the sums add up from the American folly against the loss of a Wembley appearance I’m not sure they will

It is my understanding the trip cost Wigan quite a bit on money. I finished watching the documentary and the fact Wigan were going to Vegas features in the last episode. All Rads idea and he obviously thought he had organised something special as if he was running the RFL and this was some great initiative. He needs to get back to earth and focus on Wigan. I don’t think anyone outside of Wigsm RL gives a toss Vegas trip.

Wigan certainly didn't splash out on travel over to Las Vegas . The players were sitting beside us on the flight over and were in economy class . Some players like Junior and Sam were struggling to get their legs in the seating area . This I found strange on a 10 hour flight . The same on the way back they were in economy class struggling for room .

EW

Vegas as an event isn't going away. Aren't they contracted for three more years or something? Anyway, Wigan almost certainly won't be involved again. Do you guys really think SL teams should say, no, we don't want to get involved? IMO, there's such a thing as the bigger picture here. Your mileage may vary. Like the WCC, it was always going to be blamed for the next defeat, whenever that comes along.

I share everyone’s disappointment.
My take is that the Vegas jolly has come back to haunt us, and that it may take us a while longer to get that out of our system physically and mentally. I don’t blame Peet in the slightest, as it was fatigue that meant we slipped away. It was the club’s choice to go, and they had their reasons for trying something different.
As to whether we can turn this round, my view is a resounding yes. We have 23 more SL games to play, and need to win perhaps 10 of them to be in the play offs. We could take a month off and achieve that.

fozzie58 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:52 pm

Charriots Offiah wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:17 pm

fozzie58 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:58 pm I hope that that was the vegas hangover

I think it was.

I do too mate,going to be honest I’d sooner lose now than say a semi final you can’t win them all let’s be fair just hope that the jolt the side needs,gut feeling is as fans we are in for a rocky few weeks

I don't think we would lose a semi final, we would have our sea legs. Come the end of the season we will still be the team to beat.