Noble must be good enough

[cpwigan]

So Calderwood playing is down to a great coach?

By your argument HC, we should never have sacked Dorahay.

[DaveO]

IL may have woken Barrett up. It was not him that wokre the whole team up. Problems within the team went deeper than that. Differnces are set aside and the team is playing. Moral is higher. What the problem is/was we may never know but this stuck record that sings "noble no good noble no good noble no good" just does not add up. He may have got a team at bradford but he kept them there. He may not have beeten the world as uk coach but he was good enough to get the job. When you say the team is not playing good rugby tactically how much credit do you give the other team stopping them. The team has now proved they can. They did not. Why, moral, why so low. Thats not down to the coach thats down to attitude. Who were the dividers, decenters and malcontents. The way things are with the younsters who are not getting gametime. Who makes that decission? Where does the buck stop if they are not ready, get injured or fail. You would be shouting why did he introduce too soon. There were 12 teams out there. Each peaked at different times. Wigan currently look the strongest. To say it is good luck, fluke in spite of Noble defies logic. The man's record speaks for itself. Yet you try to find somthing to criticise, shout it often enough someone will listen. If this thread does not go in the right direction why don't you start a counter thread,
Oh you did didn't you,
Jim

So you think Noble has been 100% perfect in his coaching this season and hasn't made any mistakes?

That is how the above post comes across to me.

Let me ask you a simple question, what do you think Noble has got wrong this season?

Dave

[highland convert]

Dave perfection would never loose. Without knowing why he has done something I would not know if he is right or wrong. I don't know why he left Calderwood out but he does and you can only guess. Why did he allow Mickey to be lost to Wigan. He knows you can speculate. why did Barret play lousy at the beginning of the season. He knows you can speculate. If division was the problem he knows you can speculate. You saw lousy rugby cos that is what you were looking for. You were not watching for the magic you were hunting the mistakes. Your heart drops when the player drops the ball, thats part of the magic. You are living the game with the players. Ok some games we had more heart stoppers than we should have but you are adding up the minuses and ignoring the pluses and looking for a complaint. Noble makes mistakes, players make mistakes, we lose, we win. The team does not go out to loose. Problem was on occassion they did not go out to win.
Look for the easy solution "Sack the coach."
Hard to believe tonight we play 80 minutes to take aus to the grand final and you are still shouting "Sack the coach"
Everything CP and you have posted is circunstantial or speculation on your parts. Truth is we do not know what is upsetting the team. We don't know who. Lets not spoil a good argument by insisting on evidence,
Jim

[gpartin]

Dave perfection would never loose. Without knowing why he has done something I would not know if he is right or wrong. I don't know why he left Calderwood out but he does and you can only guess. Why did he allow Mickey to be lost to Wigan. He knows you can speculate. why did Barret play lousy at the beginning of the season. He knows you can speculate. If division was the problem he knows you can speculate. You saw lousy rugby cos that is what you were looking for. You were not watching for the magic you were hunting the mistakes. Your heart drops when the player drops the ball, thats part of the magic. You are living the game with the players. Ok some games we had more heart stoppers than we should have but you are adding up the minuses and ignoring the pluses and looking for a complaint. Noble makes mistakes, players make mistakes, we lose, we win. The team does not go out to loose. Problem was on occassion they did not go out to win.
Look for the easy solution "Sack the coach."
Hard to believe tonight we play 80 minutes to take aus to the grand final and you are still shouting "Sack the coach"
Everything CP and you have posted is circunstantial or speculation on your parts. Truth is we do not know what is upsetting the team. We don't know who. Lets not spoil a good argument by insisting on evidence,
Jim

Evidence:

Wigan Played 27, Won 13, lost 11, Drawn 3, Scored 648 points, conceded 698 points, points difference -50, Points 29.

Conceded 1 point less than Hull in 11th position, scored only 10 points more than Huddersfield in 10th position and have a worse points difference.

Won only 4 away games all season.

St Helens 46 Wigan 10
St Helens 57 Wigan 16
Wigan 12 St Helens 46

Castleford Tigers 12th position in the league 108 tries.
Wigan Warriors 4th position in the league 109 tries.

[highland convert]

Proves the point they played the top team more than others. Proved the moral was low in mid season. proves they lost individual big scores rather than more points on every game. Take stains games + hudd points lost and you see the imballance in points differencial with position from only 4 0f 28 games played. You sound like a tabloid editor with his hooks in a politicial. Right or wrong does not matter. You will hound till you get him out.
Name one available coach that you would rather have? Or am I correct and you are hounding for houndings sake
The team goes with what it has, coach and players. The fans live with the ups and downs. The wins prove capability the losses prove inconsistancy. Nothing proves it is Noble's fault. He can't snap his fingers and pooof fixed. You criticise if he changes the team. You criticise if he sticks with it.
Time for a reality check,most of the fans seem happy we are playing 2nd last game of the season with a real posibility of playing the last. 9 of the 12 are now on holiday.
Jim

[gw]

Dave perfection would never loose. Without knowing why he has done something I would not know if he is right or wrong. I don't know why he left Calderwood out but he does and you can only guess. Why did he allow Mickey to be lost to Wigan. He knows you can speculate. why did Barret play lousy at the beginning of the season. He knows you can speculate. If division was the problem he knows you can speculate. You saw lousy rugby cos that is what you were looking for. You were not watching for the magic you were hunting the mistakes. Your heart drops when the player drops the ball, thats part of the magic. You are living the game with the players. Ok some games we had more heart stoppers than we should have but you are adding up the minuses and ignoring the pluses and looking for a complaint. Noble makes mistakes, players make mistakes, we lose, we win. The team does not go out to loose. Problem was on occassion they did not go out to win.
Look for the easy solution "Sack the coach."
Hard to believe tonight we play 80 minutes to take aus to the grand final and you are still shouting "Sack the coach"
Everything CP and you have posted is circunstantial or speculation on your parts. Truth is we do not know what is upsetting the team. We don't know who. Lets not spoil a good argument by insisting on evidence,
Jim

Thank god there is somebody on here who speaks some sense!! Couldn't agree more!!!

Noble has a better record than anyone on this site, and there is a reasonhe and not CP wigan or anyone else is coach of Wigan RL.

And he will be Wigan coach next season to so why not look for some positives and get behind the coach and the team!!

[Exiled Wiganer]

Of course we all want Wigan to win, and discussing the coach's performance is the prerogative of all us fans. I think the end of the season a week on Sunday will be a good time to consider the thorny issue of Mr Noble, and this debate will rightly run and run.
No one who has had to endure the low points this year could conclude that Noble was super coach, but it is as nonsensical to dismiss the play off run when considering the season as a whole as it is to ignore the many low points.
I am not surprised he divides opinion, but you could argue that he took over a team at the bottom of the league and has been coach during a period where we not only survived but qualified for the play offs and finished 3rd and at least 3rd again this year, which does not sound hopeless.
His methods, his blind spots on certain players, his record against Saints all go against him, but fwiw I think survival and then 3rd and at least 3rd tips the balance in his favour.
By the way, while I am not clamouring for Noble's head, I would have Edwards as coach tomorrow, with a young NRL coach as his number 2 (isn't Brett Kenny coaching the lower grades at Parra with some success?).
Anyway, we are stuck with him for at least another year.

[cpwigan]

Just remember folks everybody/amunody is allowed to have an opinion. Whatsmore, you do not have to agree with those opinions. The day we all agree heaven help us. I debate with anybody but I can rarely recall attacking the poster making the point. However, it really is water off a ducks back and I do not mind being painted as the bad guy. I even send it up myself.

The Wigan RLFC I want, win trophies, goes to Wembley, plays Saints with a very good chance of winning and plays a stylish brand of RL with wingers prominent. That is the essence of Wigan RLFC and the reason we not just an historic name like a Huddersfield or a Hunslet is because we did all of the above at regular intervals from 1895 until the present day.

From day 1 I have firmly set out my belief that British coaches are not good enough. I believe the facts support that. Melbourne have today destroyed Cronulla 28-0 to reach a GF. They have done so despite a media, opposition campaign that saw their captain/goalkicker/key playmaker and another key forward suspended. They have had injuries, player losses season after season but their coach A) Fought like hell for them, used the criticism to motivate them and more importantly B)Created a system of play whereby they can overcome disaster and still play superbly. Daniel Anderson to some degree has done that at Saints. Not 1 (ONE) British coach can/could.

I cannot accept that when I read of fans travelling from the Midlands, Cheshire, East Yorkshire, Cumbria, Scotland, Ireland that it is okay for Wigan RLFC to produce such poor entertainment for 80% (maybe more) of a season. These fans especially deserve better. The club should not have sold tickets for it's recent presentation evening. It should have used the evening to analyse the season ticket databnase and invite these people FOC.

For the rest of us. You, I and all the resident Wiganers. We deserve better.

Having said that. Nobody will be more ferocious in supporting all 3 of our team tonight and Saturday. We all want the same thing. We all care. We just have opinions and long may that continue. The day we stop thinking is the day they should shoot us all.

[Wigan Watcher]

It’s clear if you don’t agree with the majority then you’re a bad lad. It must give you sleepless nights knowing these people verbally attack people who rightly criticise our beloved Wigan

I’m glad I have not been tarred with that brush.

O by the way your are totally wrong about Noble, he is a top coach and don’t forget to keep up the good work of telling it as it is mate.

[highland convert]

Well theres an interesting thought. Wigan may have finished third two years on the trot but they have been taken out by the GF winners. Arguably they are level with stains :eusa10:

That is not the record of a loser.
Jim