Riddell

[old hooker]

For god's sake this site is going downhill fast it once was a forum where you could air your views and now it's degenerated into if you don't agree me i will slag you off forum.
A forum is for debate and putting your point of view across .I don't agree with with everything what's written on here but at the same time i don't pull other peoples postins down.
COME ON GUYS GET A GRIP AND GROW UP.

[highland convert]

Go back through the posts. I did. I even found a couple where you complimented Riddell. And Roberts. But you never gave them a chance to continue their improvement. I also found you took a lot of stick for your negative attitude. However when the "diss the team" band was in full flow it is not rocket science to work out who was bandmaster. I would not expect my employees to perform their best under such pressure. Why should you expect WW employees to do the same? Right back at the biginning of the season a poster wrote that the team were following these sites and being affected by the postings. Didn't matter nobody cared. When people say the same thing another way round 4,5,6 times in the same thread then start a new thread to say it again. Thats harrassment, Trouble is if nobody speaks out it gets worse. I take a lot of flack as does other because we don't like the bullying. Truth is nobody knows the root of the problem in WW. A lot of speculation suddenly becomes fact. Then when that goes out the window the next speculation. You call sack him,
Jim

[gpartin]

He should have been sacked. Bitterness comes in many forms Jim.

[GeoffN]

Geoff. if you go back through the posts on virtually every page during the season it became habit to trash player. Riddell took the brunt of it. I am sorry but I cannot see any player lift his game in that atmosphere. I am sure on a couple of occasions Riddell was nominated as a candidate for MOM. Whether he ever got the final vote I don't know. Maybe he is here as a cheap replacemnet for MH. We don't know his wages. Mathers was wasted by the WW fans. Any supporter who barracks their own player as he goes for a high bomb has to question his/her loyalties. I still maintain there is a wide margin between the harrassment the players receive on here and constructive criticism. I don't need to be a happy clapper to come to that conclussion. I do look for a win but I don't take an infantile strop when we loose.
Jim

You see it as trashing, Jim, the rest of see it as valid criticisms of players that are not up to an adequate standard. We don't suddenly decide that certain players can do nothing right, we watch how they perform and rate them on their performances - the same applies equally to Fielden, Pryce, Roberts, any you care to name. Even Feca, despite being such a crowd favourite, is not exempt from criticism on his fitness, nor is Pat for his relatively poor goalkicking this season.

Similarly, most of us don't decide a player can do no wrong either; we praise the likes of Sam, Pat, George based on their performances. Apart from anything else, surely it would devalue that praise if it was given to all players indiscriminately, regardless of performance?

Your point about Mathers is wide of the mark, too - the eventual barracking only came about after repeat failures under high balls; earlier on it was more of a collective apprehensive holding of breath...again you misplace cause and effect. The howlers caused the barracking, not the other way around - and he still received generous applause on the increasingly rarer occasions he did catch one.

Pointing out that players have aspects of their game that need improving, or indeed that another player might be a better option in that position, should be taken by any professional player as a reason to improve, which is what we all hope for for the benefit of the team.

Lenagan & McGuire have, quite rightly, not named names when they pointed out that 2 or 3 players aren't as fit as they should be, but I think it's pretty clear to everyone who those players are.

[pedro]

Go back through the posts. I did. I even found a couple where you complimented Riddell. And Roberts. But you never gave them a chance to continue their improvement. I also found you took a lot of stick for your negative attitude. However when the "diss the team" band was in full flow it is not rocket science to work out who was bandmaster. I would not expect my employees to perform their best under such pressure. Why should you expect WW employees to do the same? Right back at the biginning of the season a poster wrote that the team were following these sites and being affected by the postings. Didn't matter nobody cared. When people say the same thing another way round 4,5,6 times in the same thread then start a new thread to say it again. Thats harrassment, Trouble is if nobody speaks out it gets worse. I take a lot of flack as does other because we don't like the bullying. Truth is nobody knows the root of the problem in WW. A lot of speculation suddenly becomes fact. Then when that goes out the window the next speculation. You call sack him,
Jim

quite laughable Jim really. If you dont want your employees to do well under pressure you would be fired, as its a high pressure job and you are accountable for the performance of the underperformers and accept the underperformance. On the flip side if the high pressure job requires them to perform and they dont then they should be performance managed...true? If they fail this with your "support" then they eventually get shown the door.

[Mintball Mick]

id like to beleive that there are no wigan fans who are anti any player. However i beleive we put certain players down because we have our clubs best interest at heart and want to get back to winning ways.

I would like to agree with that, I really would. But I am not proud to say that I could not take to Richie Mathers. I never ever 'barracked' him as he went for a high ball and I cheered him on the occasions that he caught them.

But I was glad to see the back of him!

[ellery 4 coach]

[quote="cpwigan"] Piggy came to Wigan as a bench warmer for a young teenage hooker in a very poor NRL club. dont know where you get your facts from cp but they are generally wrong and always siding on you wining an argument mr played 2008 17 times 5 times of the bench 11 times hooker 1 at stand off

[ellery 4 coach]

in fact in the last 86 games hes been on the bench 18 times, he came over with an injury so benefit of doubt i will give him 3 or 4 games of new season b4 i make a decision

[cpwigan]

Indeeed he did but as the season progressed who was playing 9 for the Eels in 2008 and whate was happening to the game time of Piggy as the season progressed. Who remained at Parra in 2009 and who left? Anderson put up with Piggy not a chance and in his absence Parra improved. The facts are there re Piggy. He peaked in 2005 when he was at St George. Did he not? Afterall you want to use stats Ellery. I prefer what I see with my own eyes and Piggy would not get a gig in the NRL.

[cpwigan]

He he show me where your getting you stats from. I would be interested. Look at the last 10 Parra games in his career there.

How do you expect him to transform himself when he is not here. Not the first time he has been away is it. 12 months and twice he left us to have a last weekend with his future Mrs and bizarrely to go to say commiserations to a friend (not a family member) whose partner lost a baby.