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Have to agree with CPW as usual and in this case very much with DaveO! The bottom line is we lost today irrelevant of any side issue and against Widnes. I am sorry but that is totally unacceptable! We play to win, sport to win, RL to win and we lost, not acceptable when we should have won that game with the players we have available and not sat in a stand!

Cherry, maybe SW is right and maybe you are but again the bottom line is that WE SHOULD HAVE WON THE GAME AND WE DIDN'T! We lost to WIDNES AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE! That is not good enough!

Lets get a grip, this result means absolutely sweet FA. Have some faith for god sake you doom mongering set of bollocks!

So....here we go.

Widnes had to play the game of their lives to beat a side by 1 point that was missing Lockers, Leuluai, Tomkins and Richards.

At the same time though I agree I would have atleast left Lockers or Leuluai in the 13 as I think there was a lot of pressure on Finch today.

This will all be forgotten though when a fresher Wigan side destroy Wire at home in 2 weeks.

slimshady wrote:Lets get a grip, this result means absolutely sweet FA. Have some faith for god sake you doom mongering set of bollocks!

It is not a question of faith, I always have faith in my team and always will, if any result, especially a defeat, means sweet FA to you then I am sorry that is wrong. Every result means something to me, win, lose or draw, and even more when we lose a game that with given resources was 99.9999% impossible to lose!!

cpwigan wrote:
Jack Hughes is learning first grade / playing centre. He needs Pat alongside him. Add say 1 player, Joe Mellor or Matty Russell. You really cannot afford any more especially when you remove the heart / spine of the team. Moreover, the very sould of this team, our captain, Lockers. If needs must you can scrape by with inexperienced players on the fringes alongside the leader (the best all round player in SL) / 'leaders' BUT to send our young guns into battle without leadership smacked of General Haigh not Super Shaun Wane.

Although more often than not wrong, I feel you have this one spot on here CPW

Those young lads deserved to play with Lockers, with Pat etc.

Yep. That is very true. The effect of having players like that egging you on, offering advice and encouragement has got to be better than having to try and fill their boots in their absence. The whole psychology was just wrong. You would probably feel invincible in the same side as Lockers but having to step up and play for Wigan without these pros in the side probably had the young players all pretty nervous to say the least beforehand.

This is a big reason why how Wane learnt anything meaningful from today is beyond me.

cherry.pie wrote:

DaveO wrote:

exile in Tiger country wrote:Really? We got more from this apart from two vital league points, the chance to go top of the league and increase our points difference? What exactly did we get, apart from embarrassed and a reputation for not showing any respect to opposition sides.
Wane should be hauled over the coals for this team selection!

Spot on. Wanes after match comments about him picking a team that was 100% capable of winning this match are clearly wrong given the players capable of winning it were the ones sat in the stand.

Apparently he is gutted again that we lost. Well Shaun that is your own fault!

He's still correct. The players out there could and should have won the game and were able to get themselves into the perfect position to win the game.

Clearly, the result proves otherwise. The inexperience in the side meant an 18 point lead was lost. The side that should (and would) have won the game wasn't picked.

You need to think about rugby in this era, the Widnes game is not a measure of where we are rugbywise. You can loose the odd game in this format and as long as you hit the ground running at play off time like Leeds did, this result will be a long forgotten memory. Daveo and CPW if you think Waney has learned nothing from this result you are very wrong. I expect Daveo to talk nonsense but CPW I think you should ban yourself again.

When it boils down to it, we let a team that up until today had only scored 54 points in the past 5 games score 37 points against the team with one of the best defences in the league.
A team that last week got nilled by Hull KR.

Big big mistake resting so many first teamers and what motivation are the youngsters going to get from today? Well done lads, you've just been beaten by the worse team in Super League

slimshady wrote:You need to think about rugby in this era, the Widnes game is not a measure of where we are rugbywise. You can loose the odd game in this format and as long as you hit the ground running at play off time like Leeds did, this result will be a long forgotten memory. Daveo and CPW if you think Waney has learned nothing from this result you are very wrong. I expect Daveo to talk nonsense but CPW I think you should ban yourself again.

Slim how many times did we lose after conceding 37 points under Madge or losing 2 substantial leads in the same match?

I worry no British coach TRULY understands RL like the best NRL Coaches. We talk tough, we talk DEFENCE but do we actually deliver?

The last 30 years have taught me that the attention to detail / the science the Aussies put into the essential basics of RL are well ahead of we Brits.

We talk the talk but has or did Waney truly learn from Madge. He seems more obsessed with putting his stamp on the team and almost being critical about Wigan RL under Madge.

We can say as Waney has the team I sent out should have won theat game BUT if they did not? Why not? We were playing a team with a 100% loss record, lots of new players, 2 novice young half backs and yet we could not win.

We have bombed twice in how many games? Will this continue?

Remove Lockers from this team and you lose so so much. Why subject youngsters to such an experience minus their leader, our club captain.

IMO, the most important person at Wigan in 2012 is LOCKERS