El Bobbers wrote:cpwigan wrote:sheepdip wrote:
you run the club then you appear tho have all the answers
Give me the money and I could not do any worse. If you get the right people in place, the day to day running of the club takes care of itself. Hogan is a quality appointment. IL understands off field business far better than on field. A recent NRL coach, a world class backroom staff of specialist assistants and within 3 years you would have a Wigan team in the top 3, genuinely contesting for trophies. The onfield side (THE MOST IMPORTANT) is an umitigated disaster and will continue to be so.
Why do you need to be given any money at all? You are obviously a genious and must be worth millions, I mean, the way you are bleating on you would think it was easy to get into IL's position!!!
How naive must you be to believe he was going to arrive at that forum and say ok we are going to sack Noble and Forshaw, oh and I'm going to put millions of pounds of my own money into the club instead of getting the club making it's own money. He was never going to announce major changes and I hardly believe IL will have bought into this club to make it less succesful do you? Anyway, according to you the club runs itself on the business side so why would IL need to put his own money into the club?
Tomkins will be over exposed by this bunch of players as most of them are lazy. I'm all for him being introduced but would only do so sparingly. I was discussing this with a friend the other day and he made a very valid point that when players like Edwards, Rads, Robinson etc came into the side they were surronded by some of the best players in the world and would have been protected by them, I don't think this would be the case with this team.
Though you clearly think the Burgess injury has nothing to do with him being over used at such a young age (I disagree), I fear we will risk a serious injury to Tomkins as he will be over exposed by this current sides lack of defensive ability.
The fans forum is nothing more than the club to showing how 'open' they are, it's just a publicity move and judging by you disgust with other fans at the forum it probably worked.
I have often disagreed with you re Noble but I must admit I have turned. Although I think the players must take responsability for what they produce on the field, it is up to the coach to get them to show more effort than they have for too much of this season. No player should have a God given right to get into this side and heads should role but too often Noble has bottled in when making these decisions.
The only naive person is you. Personal wealth is no determinant or measuure of intelligence. Nor was it relevant but hey do not let that stop you. From what I know IL got to his position through endeavour,plenty do not. So another pointless statement by yourself.
You and your friend must be quite young. Shaun Edwards came into a very ordinary Wigan team. He came into an era of RL that makes the present day RL match look like handbags at 10 paces. He came in with a physique very similar to that of Tomkins. I can find you hundreds of similar examples. Alan Langer is a classic but there are hundreds.
Most of the present day Leeds team came into a Leeds team having their worst season in decades. Rob Burrow was one. The club had an horrendous season but the short term pain = huge long term gain.
We all know the ideal scenario. Tell us something we do not know. Are you Joe Lydon lol. Sometimes just sometimes there is no ideal time.
Sam Tomkins. If the coaching staff allow him to use his own tackling techniques he will be fine. He was far smaller and far weaker as a junior. So he was taught how to tackle according to his physique using techniques like a Cumberland throw. It is when modern coaches decide that one tackling style fits all that you have problems.
Sam Burgess shoulder charges = shoulder problems. Just as Sonny Bill got similar problems and others. Why do you think the Aussies often ban such challenges at junior levels. A shoulder charge runs such a high self risk because your literally thowing the joint unless you use the technique say SBW now uses after realising his error. Even then the risk of self injury is huge.
Did I expect wholesale sacking to be announced. NO. Did I expect a properly prepared evening with clear objectives/plan/action points YES I do not expect haslf truths/incorrect statements/bulshit either. I expect the club to become better business wise BUT by the same token should the need arise and it currently does, I expect the owner to short cut the wait until the club can pay for it (because it never will be able to) and put in place world class people to rectify the symptoms ASAP. In the real worl if you want to make huge progress in a short space of time you need to make a significant investment.
Whatever anybody thinks no one can deny that the team under achieving the most in SL, the team not realising it's potential is Wigan RLFC. Now in that situation the guy at the top (coach) normally pays the price.
