Re: Is Joel Tomkins an idiot?

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Re: Is Joel Tomkins an idiot?

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onedego wrote:On the subject of making it up as they go along, i thought the disciplinary comittee could only investigate on a Tuesday what was handed to it by the Match Review Comittee on a Monday.

Or are the Match Review comittee working over time?
I was being sarcastic! Any player from a team other than Wigan, will only be judge at the Monday viewing. Wigan get judge & jury from the blokes at after match rants to the media, on the tv, radio etc
How many times have you heard Stevo say "that should be a sending off", etc etc etc.

They were even talking about Sam & his "holding an opposition players arm" at the Leigh/Featherstone game last week. So what chance do we have when it comes round to Monday or Tuesday.
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Re: Is Joel Tomkins an idiot?

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As several people have already stated, the trouble in the game was NOT caused by Joel Tomkins, it was caused by a referee who chose to ignore the fact that tempers were fraying and did nothing to help diffuse the situation.
There was only going to be one outcome of this and as we know it resulted in a mass brawl and players taking things into their own hands, Why only single Joel out?.It's not as straightforward as "Oh he shouldn't have done that, off with his head" :eusa9: :eusa9:
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Re: Is Joel Tomkins an idiot?

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Player yes, ref no. Joel is a hot head with a mean streak. OK for the mean streets of Wigan but not ok for the disciplined field of professional sport. Ganson tried his best to let the game flow, Yeaman isn't your normal type of fouling player, so something wound him up.

Emotions aside, Joel needs to address his demons or he could end up like many another player that's gone before him and end up looking back on a career that could have been.
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jobo wrote:Player yes, ref no. Joel is a hot head with a mean streak. OK for the mean streets of Wigan but not ok for the disciplined field of professional sport. Ganson tried his best to let the game flow, Yeaman isn't your normal type of fouling player, so something wound him up.

Emotions aside, Joel needs to address his demons or he could end up like many another player that's gone before him and end up looking back on a career that could have been.
I think this is a complete exaggeration. I see tough aggressive player who the club felt was unfairly sent off hence the appeal. He hasn't got any demons - that makes it sound like he is some sort of fruitcake.
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Re: Is Joel Tomkins an idiot?

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I agree, there have been some known thugs in the game over the years, some of whom have been punished regularly, some of whom get away with absolute murder. Joel is not a thug and any reputation he has is based on a few incidents he's been punished for, none of which have been like the kind of thing we've seen Adrian Morley and Jamie Peacock get away with in recent years and their careers have been pretty successful.

Joel's problem is he gives a fair few penalties away but although I've not seen the stats I'd say the vast majority are for holding down rather than for anything malicious. I actually think Wigan appealed Joel's ban more because it was inconclusive on the video than for any other reason but it looked much worse to me at the time but he had no chance in his appeal anyway because I genuinely believe that their mind was made up without even seeing the video. He totally doesn't deserve the reputation he has and neither does Sam but I'm genuinely convinced that different rules apply to us than for other clubs, we all know that if one of our players raised his knee in a tackle as Ryan Bailey did at Headingley there wouldn't be a cat in hells chance that they'd stay on the pitch or be found not guilty by the RFL on the grounds they were defending themselves. Can't remember if it was Joel or Sam who were up for stamping on someone despite the fact the 'stamp' was on the ground rather than making any contact with a player yet how many times did we see our players getting their hands or ankles stood on last season with no punishments given? Its a farce and the more examples I give the more I can instantly think of.

I hope Joel stops giving away penalties and I wasn't happy with what Joel did but let's not perpetuate the myth that he's some kind of psycho who's always making dangerous challenges etc because its simply not true. Barry Mac made the point a few weeks ago on Sky that in order to be a rugby player, especially a forward, you have to have the kind of fire in your belly that makes you do some stupid things from time to time but there are certain teams such as Warrington, Leeds, Hudds and more recently Hull (Lauaki etc) who will deliberately try to take players out of the game with cheap high shots, knees in the face, kicking out in tackles etc. We aren't that kind of team, I'd be the first to complain if we were, but the number of matches we seem to have players missing through suspensions compared to these teams would suggest the opposite. Proof if ever it was needed either that statistics lie, that some players are seen as untouchable and/or the powers that be have got it in for us.

We may never change the opinions of the RFL disciplinary committee but there are probably steps we can take to reduce the number of times our players have to appear there. I thought that playing in shirts less recognisable as Wigan ones would help but clearly I was wrong. :)
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gpartin wrote: I thought that playing in shirts less recognisable as Wigan ones would help but clearly I was wrong. :)
Dying them pink clearly hasn't worked.
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Re: Is Joel Tomkins an idiot?

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Joel doesn't have any demons, he is a tough player, just like countless others we have had, Kelvin Skerret, Barrie Mcdermott, Shaun wayne, Gaz Hock to name but a few.
That is the way they are..they do not deliberateley wake up in a morning and think..I'm going to take someones head off today. there will always be players like that on every team...they just don't take any crap from anybody..doesn't make them bad people :eusa9: :eusa9:
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