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cpwigan wrote:

DaveO wrote:

cpwigan wrote: Dave O or IL

Does RU have access to far more corporate sponsors? we are talking way beyond mere shirt sponsors etc Could we benefit? especially given how good our marketing dept is?

Incidentally, fans should read IL's view on Joel, wildly contrasts with Dave O

We are not talking about RU but Sarries. Wigan have not linked up with the RFU but with an R U club and the question is what if anything we could learn from that particular club. I have told you who their sponsors are and how they are owned and run. Normally even you would admit there is nothing special there but instead you are on a childish crusade to disagree with everything I post even it that means having to change the subject to do so.

I presume you have every Saracens Corporate Link.

Well you must have otherwise you would be assuming so wouldn't you. :doz:

So come on then, who are these mysterious organisations Saracens are linked with they tell no one about?

Of course not but you still make wild assumptions and claims.

I have not made any "wild claims" but merely pointed out who owns Sarries, who their sponsors are and how they are run. These are freely available facts not assumptions.

You on the other hand persist with your assumption that they must have other links no one, including you, knows about.

Even if they do these links can't be up to much because otherwise Wray wouldn't have spent over 14 years digging into his own pocket to bank roll the club (another freely available fact). The only sensible conclusion when presented with these actual facts is they have no mysterious corporate links no one knows about.

You ignore the possibility that Wigan RLFC can benefit from Union exposure. You ignore IL's view on Joel because it wildly contradicts with your own view.

I have listened to IL's interview about Joel's departure and as you would expect he isn't going to say it was a disaster and he wished Joel had seen his contract out! And you will find plenty of people who do not agree with him when he says RU is not or can't cherry pick our players.

That is a different subject though and this thread was about Wigan and Saracens, a topic you want to go off at a tangent from because you know you are talking nonsense.

Deary Me David

OK here goes, the amount of corporate money in sports like Union and cricket are huge. Both sports operate on seemingly poor attendances because sadly attendances are far from critical in the modern sporting world. It is ideal to have noth attendances and investment from elsewhere but not necessary.

I kept reading some odd chap having a dig about free tickets well let the sport/club without sin cast the first stone. Wigan RLFC hugely discount/virtully give away tickets to boost attendances. Like every RL club in Britain attracting corporate investment is vital. Other sports follow the philanthropic personal play thing of the rich model but they still try to generate funds.

We played two games v Bath. The actual games were irrelevant in terms of results, we even went to the Middlesex 7s and put on a show. Why did we do all that. Crazy, stupid Wigan RLFC for raising their profile, putting themselves in the media. Listen to Mr Dave Nobody he knows better

Wigan attracted as much media attention from the link up as Joel leaving. Both attracted more than a normal Wigan RL week. Are you seriously thinking Wigan do not benefit? Are you seriously thinking Wigan cannot benefit on and off the field from the link up. If we get one great player from the link up that would be huge.

In the real world, I talk sense, Union has a higher profile, attracts corporate investment. IL / Wigan RLFC seem to think likewise. Dave O defies logic and as per usual gets it wrong big time suggesting his illogical approach is far better than logic or IL/ Wigan RLFC.

I brought up Joel because it is part of two stories. Ths link up and the habitual Dave O gets it wrong AGAIN. Again you are spouting about intetrviews on web sites/TVs. I am talking a more current (Monday) written interview with IL. An interview where IL contradicts every bit of nonsense Dave O posted on the subject.

You get it wrong time after time Dave and look silly.

IL or Dave who knows best

The blame for the uplift of RU is WIGAN if we had not played in the games against Bath and the Middlesex sevens which we sent a very strong team and won despite being a big deficit down.Opened the eyes of the top bosses of RU they went proffesional ,got RL coaches in Phil Larder the then GB coach ,the RU has now a big influence of RL personnell in it fitness levels have increased a great deal and the tactics they employ could be put down to the tactics brought in from RL.

TWO EYED WARRIOR wrote:

DaveO wrote:

TWO EYED WARRIOR wrote:IL is no mug, the notable comments from IL that have stuck with me is where players can be developed or recruited from.

If the link with sarries is such that there is an involvement with the SA backers then my own opinion is IL is clearly looking at that area for players with along with wales IL is obviously attemting to open up a bigger pool of players rather than sticking to NRL and lower UK leagues.

IL will not be signing any first grade RU players of note. Any we get will be from the lower leagues there as well. Think about who we used to sign before RU went pro and think if we could sign them now. A good example would be Frano Botica. He could not get into the All Black international side despite being a top RU player so he came to Wigan and RL. Players such as him these days would be playing in a Super 15 RU side and would be a star in that league. Not an nternational player but a top player in a professional sport earning more than we could pay. So that means we would only be able to get lower grade players unless we were very fortunate to find one who wanted to come to the UK but who could not find a pro RU club to take him. Not very likely IMO.


In any case I think people are reading far too much into this link up. IL has already said its just backroom coaching staff swapping ideas at this point in time so talk of some major commercial link up is not even on the table and IMO this will quietly fade away as most proposed link ups with the likes of NRL sides have done.

You contradict the IL video on the official website and you also discount what i am saying and in doing so assume we will be attempting to sign the bigger names from RU whether it be via sarries or even through the SA conmnection they may have.

IL clearly states medium term that players not suited to which ever code they play at the time could possibly go to either club.

Again i will repeat myself IL is no mug and is actively working to increase the depth of the pool of players we have to view and possibly attract to the club and i for one commend him for this vision.

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TWO EYED WARRIOR wrote:You contradict the IL video on the official website and you also discount what i am saying and in doing so assume we will be attempting to sign the bigger names from RU whether it be via sarries or even through the SA conmnection they may have.

No, I am trying to explain why we won't be able to sign big names from RU so will have to go for players from their lower leagues. And I simply do not see the point in that.

IL clearly states medium term that players not suited to which ever code they play at the time could possibly go to either club.

I fail to see the point in that either. Are we a charity for failed RU players? Are RU interested in failed RL players (clearly they are not)?

Again i will repeat myself IL is no mug and is actively working to increase the depth of the pool of players we have to view and possibly attract to the club and i for one commend him for this vision.

Unless you are a "happy clapper" one day you will disagree with something IL does. Will that make him a mug?

It is my opinion we are far form lacking on the player pool front when the additions to that pool from RU would be 2nd string RU players.

cpwigan wrote:Deary Me David

OK here goes, the amount of corporate money in sports like Union and cricket are huge. Both sports operate on seemingly poor attendances because sadly attendances are far from critical in the modern sporting world. It is ideal to have noth attendances and investment from elsewhere but not necessary.

I kept reading some odd chap having a dig about free tickets well let the sport/club without sin cast the first stone. Wigan RLFC hugely discount/virtully give away tickets to boost attendances. Like every RL club in Britain attracting corporate investment is vital. Other sports follow the philanthropic personal play thing of the rich model but they still try to generate funds.

We played two games v Bath. The actual games were irrelevant in terms of results, we even went to the Middlesex 7s and put on a show. Why did we do all that. Crazy, stupid Wigan RLFC for raising their profile, putting themselves in the media. Listen to Mr Dave Nobody he knows better

Wigan attracted as much media attention from the link up as Joel leaving. Both attracted more than a normal Wigan RL week. Are you seriously thinking Wigan do not benefit? Are you seriously thinking Wigan cannot benefit on and off the field from the link up. If we get one great player from the link up that would be huge.

In the real world, I talk sense, Union has a higher profile, attracts corporate investment. IL / Wigan RLFC seem to think likewise. Dave O defies logic and as per usual gets it wrong big time suggesting his illogical approach is far better than logic or IL/ Wigan RLFC.

I brought up Joel because it is part of two stories. Ths link up and the habitual Dave O gets it wrong AGAIN. Again you are spouting about intetrviews on web sites/TVs. I am talking a more current (Monday) written interview with IL. An interview where IL contradicts every bit of nonsense Dave O posted on the subject.

You get it wrong time after time Dave and look silly.

IL or Dave who knows best

You have complete failed to address any of the points I made. You keep trying to change the subject time and again because you lost the argument ages ago.

RU as a sport has a much higher profile Internationally gets a great deal of attention. We all know that. At club level it is a completely different story. A few clubs are profitable such as Northampton and some are making losses such as Sale and Sarries.

Sarries who I remind you is who we are linked with are a bank-rolled club who have survived on handouts from their owner since 1995. This is the exactly the kind of financial arrangement IL has taken Wigan away from and gained great praise for doing so. We have nothing to learn there.

In the last post of yours I replied to you were saying Sarries would have corporate links yet when I point out even if they have they must be pretty worthless given Wray was bank-rolling the side himself you ignore the point. The fact RU as a sport may have corporate links clearly does not translate into money for Sarries given Wray's necessary financial input.

Instead of acknowledging that is plainly true you witter on like an old woman with your straw man arguments that have nothing to do with the points made or the topic under discussion.

I know teachers who have been in the job for years think they are always right but do yourself (and us) a favour and get a new job so you can learn to admit you are wrong for once.

Dave O makes an ass of himself AGAIN shocker.

Just think how many people here and on RLfans must lol reading Dave O saying;

think they are always right but do yourself (and us) a favour and get a new job so you can learn to admit you are wrong for once.

Even better compound you stupidity by talking for everybody (us)

Union is a significantly richer sport than League. It has access to far more lucrative corporate revenue streams than League. It has a greater talen pool to draw players from than League.

An astute businessman / owner (IL) sees benefit. I and many others see benefits. Dave O does not so guess what everybody is wrong, Dave is right.

IL, an employee of many many people over decades argues if a person is unhappy then forcing them to remain in your organisation is counter productive. Dave O says otherwise. Guess what Dave O is right and IL talks nonsense, gosh IL may even think he is a teacher lol

Who was it again who thinks they are always right?

I daresay everybody can draw their own conclusions unless Dave O has decided for you and you belong to his group of silent disciples

I dunno why your both whinging anyways 'cause I would batter both of you without breaking a sweat to you might as well leave it.