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DaveO wrote:

Kittwazzer wrote: DaveO. Finch made his decision having honoured his deal. What exactly do you think IFL could have offered him to change that decision?

I know Finch honoured his deal. Makes a change! What do you think IL offers any player we want to retain who's contract is due to expire?

A new deal!

My point is that due to prevarication Finch had plenty of time to mull over alternatives.

We need to strike while the iron is hot IMO.

I have to agree with you Dave this season is starting to go wrong and our prospects for next season look worse. IL is not infalable and you are right about Finch, more effort should have been made to keep him. I know we cant compete in the money stakes of Warrington but I fear we are being left behind by them in quality of there signings compaired to ours.Smith has rotated his best players well and I fear the only prize we will recieve this season is the hub cap ( league leaders sheild _) I hope I am wrong about our prospects but I am pesimist by nature and our resent buys dont send me over the moon

This 'more of an effort' is becoming tedious. We should have made more of an effort to beat Leeds in the semis. Could not more of an effort have been made to keep Tommy or Lima?

Its not like any of them are switching to another SL club who made 'more of an effort' than we did.

These people are their own men. They make their own decisions!

Kittwazzer wrote:This 'more of an effort' is becoming tedious. We should have made more of an effort to beat Leeds in the semis. Could not more of an effort have been made to keep Tommy or Lima?

Its not like any of them are switching to another SL club who made 'more of an effort' than we did.

These people are their own men. They make their own decisions!

Exactly !

you cant hold a gun to the lads heads, Tommy has given his all to the club and wants to return to his home land good luck to him i say, and thank you for all you gave to WRLFC. The same to Jeff.

As for finch to another SL club, i believe Wire offered him a hell of a deal for 12 months and he turned it down, Hull are being linked to every man and his dog at the moment so i doubt he would go there, i honestly think at the moment he does not know what to do for the best.

Kittwazzer wrote:This 'more of an effort' is becoming tedious. We should have made more of an effort to beat Leeds in the semis. Could not more of an effort have been made to keep Tommy or Lima?

Tommy wasn't looking for a new deal here. Lima should have been made to see his contract out.

Finch was earlier in the season clearly open to staying. So totally different situations.

Its not like any of them are switching to another SL club who made 'more of an effort' than we did.

These people are their own men. They make their own decisions!

And those decision are influenced by many things including when contract offers are made and how much money is on the table. The implication of your post that Wigan had no chance to influence his decision is wrong.

As I said my view is prevarication on the clubs part is a big reason why we lost Finch. He clearly hadn't made his mind up to leave earlier on in the season so the club had a chance to do as I said and strike while the iron was hot.

Why it didn't I don't know. Maybe Finch wasn't Wane's favourite player at the time and IL deferred to Wane. Who knows.

What I do know is it is obvious there is a dearth of quality half backs out there and we know our young players are not ready yet so the club had two choices:

1. Make every effort to retain Finch
2. Sign an inferior replacement

It went with option 2.

Kittwazzer wrote:Is history repeating itself here? I seem to recall a split with St Helens Recs. Many old timers still harbour grudges, believing them to be the REAL Saints club!

St Helens were very much the 2nd club in St Helens behind St Helens Recs until WWII. Season after season Saints were dependent upon gate receipts fromn Wigan and St Helens Recs derby matches as they struggled to stay in business. WWII and the minimal sport taking place in war time actually saved St Helens and for some reason that I cannot remember Recs suffered almost immediately post war.

cpwigan wrote:

Kittwazzer wrote:Is history repeating itself here? I seem to recall a split with St Helens Recs. Many old timers still harbour grudges, believing them to be the REAL Saints club!

St Helens were very much the 2nd club in St Helens behind St Helens Recs until WWII. Season after season Saints were dependent upon gate receipts fromn Wigan and St Helens Recs derby matches as they struggled to stay in business. WWII and the minimal sport taking place in war time actually saved St Helens and for some reason that I cannot remember Recs suffered almost immediately post war.

I have checked on various sites and st helens recs only entered the RL in 1918 (St Helens were in from the beginning) and folded 1n 1938.
They were a works team belonging to Pilkingtons Glass works nothing to do with saints. Unless I have read it all wrongly.
They restarted after the war as Pilkington Recs (amateur).

cow yeds wrote:

cpwigan wrote:

Kittwazzer wrote:Is history repeating itself here? I seem to recall a split with St Helens Recs. Many old timers still harbour grudges, believing them to be the REAL Saints club!

St Helens were very much the 2nd club in St Helens behind St Helens Recs until WWII. Season after season Saints were dependent upon gate receipts fromn Wigan and St Helens Recs derby matches as they struggled to stay in business. WWII and the minimal sport taking place in war time actually saved St Helens and for some reason that I cannot remember Recs suffered almost immediately post war.

I have checked on various sites and st helens recs only entered the RL in 1918 (St Helens were in from the beginning) and folded 1n 1938.
They were a works team belonging to Pilkingtons Glass works nothing to do with saints. Unless I have read it all wrongly.
They restarted after the war as Pilkington Recs (amateur).

I also had a quick look at CC history. St Helens were THE FIRST EVER TEAM TO LOSE IN THE CHALLENGE CUP FINAL. I didn't see any reference to a Recs suffix!

Still it was worth the effort to find out THE FIRST EVER TEAM TO LOSE IN THE CHALLENGE CUP FINAL!

cow yeds wrote:I think people on here are just stirring it.

I have read this morning that the soccer team and saints are in negotiations for the soccer team to use saints ground from season 2014, no mention of any court case.

I think you have missed this totally.

MOD: comment removed at the request of St Helens RFC

Kittwazzer wrote:

cow yeds wrote:

cpwigan wrote: St Helens were very much the 2nd club in St Helens behind St Helens Recs until WWII. Season after season Saints were dependent upon gate receipts fromn Wigan and St Helens Recs derby matches as they struggled to stay in business. WWII and the minimal sport taking place in war time actually saved St Helens and for some reason that I cannot remember Recs suffered almost immediately post war.

I have checked on various sites and st helens recs only entered the RL in 1918 (St Helens were in from the beginning) and folded 1n 1938.
They were a works team belonging to Pilkingtons Glass works nothing to do with saints. Unless I have read it all wrongly.
They restarted after the war as Pilkington Recs (amateur).

I also had a quick look at CC history. St Helens were THE FIRST EVER TEAM TO LOSE IN THE CHALLENGE CUP FINAL. I didn't see any reference to a Recs suffix!

Still it was worth the effort to find out THE FIRST EVER TEAM TO LOSE IN THE CHALLENGE CUP FINAL!

Just thank the lord that they didn't win it. We'd never have heard the last of it .

I didn't know that they were still playing RU (15 a side) at that first final. Only changed to 13 a side in 1906.