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mickw wrote:without relegation this league is a bore fest and the national league,remember them!

You can say that as often as you like but the it won't change the economics of it. The National League is a semi pro league where each player earns an average of £16K a year.

The idea you can relegate and promote teams between a league funded like that and one where the average wage is potentially £64K doesn't wash. What is the point of doing what they used to where the relegated teams players became free agents and most signed for the promoted team?

Also say you were an average squad player in SL on £40K a season. How would you feel if you had to take a £24K pay cut because the team got relegated and you couldn't get a gig with another SL side?

The only way P&R will work is if the game gets an absolute shed load of money so it could promote the NL1 to be as well funded as SL.

It isn't going to happen.

TWO EYED WARRIOR wrote:For me the Franchise system must reveiwed annually rather than every 3 years.

The pressure has be applied to the non-performing clubs, at the moment 3 years is allowing clubs the opportunity to re-structure the clubs on an ad-hoc basis and in extreme cases take the club under yet still mainatain there SL status.

It depends on what you mean by annually reviewed. The whole point of a three year franchise is to give the clubs a certainty about their SL status and income so they don't adopt short term measures to try and avoid relegation.

I don't see anything wrong with checking up on a clubs status each year rather than waiting for three years to do so again but if the rule was re-written to say "the bottom club will be at risk of losing their franchise if they are not on target with their business plan" then all that would happen is all the teams would revert to short termism to try and avoid finishing bottom.

If a Franchise was serious about the club and its future it would have a business plan and would stick to it reviewing the plan and the performance against it on a regular basis.

The RFL would spot the bull shitters straight away and then take the necessary action either by warning or even removal of the licence

I don't see anything wring in principle with that but you have to be careful you do not defeat the object of removing stability the three year license is supposed to give clubs.

Top seven makes more sense. 1week off. 2v7 3v6, 4v5, now the top teams have home advantage. Losers goodnight week 2 1v (4or5) 2or7v 3or6 highest finisher home advantage, GF three weeks no second chance. Lower half do not get second dibs. First earned their week of and second the easier game. Jim

highland convert wrote:Top seven makes more sense. 1week off. 2v7 3v6, 4v5, now the top teams have home advantage. Losers goodnight week 2 1v (4or5) 2or7v 3or6 highest finisher home advantage, GF three weeks no second chance. Lower half do not get second dibs. First earned their week of and second the easier game. Jim

Good post Jim.

TrueBlueWarrior wrote:

highland convert wrote:Top seven makes more sense. 1week off. 2v7 3v6, 4v5, now the top teams have home advantage. Losers goodnight week 2 1v (4or5) 2or7v 3or6 highest finisher home advantage, GF three weeks no second chance. Lower half do not get second dibs. First earned their week of and second the easier game. Jim

Good post Jim.

Agreed. Let's see the bloody Whino's win from 5th with that formula!

id say top 5. 1st is safe, call it a reward for grafting to come top all season? 2v4, 3v5 with the higher placed having home advantage. the winners then play eachother on either neutral ground or chosen at random. winner then faces 1st.

that way the team that has fought to the end to come top gets a few weeks rest rather than sink back into the loop of having to play towards one trophy while sacrificing others like we did in going all out for the cup last year, you have to admit we didnt look right in the league/playoff games after the cup final. with the league leader being such a massive benefit in the playoffs rather than just a hubcap we may even see everyone fighting all season for the top spot?


as for Wire.... Tonight? made me feel warm inside knowing that its more obvious than ever that without Shrek and Rambo (Westwood and Briers) they choke and fall apart. we should be back to 100% before we have to face them again and that will more than likely be the grand final, see what they can come up with then?

Bashy wrote: as for Wire.... Tonight? made me feel warm inside knowing that its more obvious than ever that without Shrek and Rambo (Westwood and Briers) they choke and fall apart. we should be back to 100% before we have to face them again and that will more than likely be the grand final, see what they can come up with then?

I've said for a long time that Briers is the difference for Warrington. But he just keeps going year on year!

Kittwazzer wrote:

OJ wrote:Reality is that Wire haven't won anything yet. We've certainly made it harder for ourselves but wont it be wonderful if we beat them by that single point. Anything can happen yet and good as they have been this season it doesn't mean to say they'll be able to get through the play offs as easily.

Grasping straws with that one!

There you go KW - it was a bigger straw than both of us thought at the time

OJ wrote:

Kittwazzer wrote:

OJ wrote:Reality is that Wire haven't won anything yet. We've certainly made it harder for ourselves but wont it be wonderful if we beat them by that single point. Anything can happen yet and good as they have been this season it doesn't mean to say they'll be able to get through the play offs as easily.

Grasping straws with that one!

There you go KW - it was a bigger straw than both of us thought at the time

Too right, no-one saw that coming!

I've always said top five, the playoffs are a ridiculous scenario for the clubs as it is another competition.

What's the point of killing yourself all season to be top of the table & not recognised as the Champions??