The biggest failing of Wane

[josie andrews]

NeeNaw, have I not sent you a PM?

If I haven't I apologise I normally do

The site is that slow I keep forgetting what I'm doing

[NeeNawWarrior22]

NeeNaw, have I not sent you a PM?

If I haven't I apologise I normally do

The site is that slow I keep forgetting what I'm doing

Josie, maybe you have but I'm fairly new to the site, would it be obvious to me that you've sent me one? I mostly post on here after shift work so I'm always slow ha! Don't worry, CP response was what I was after, I just found Terry O'Connors comments interesting.

[josie andrews]

NeeNaw, have I not sent you a PM?

If I haven't I apologise I normally do

The site is that slow I keep forgetting what I'm doing

Josie, maybe you have but I'm fairly new to the site, would it be obvious to me that you've sent me one? I mostly post on here after shift work so I'm always slow ha! Don't worry, CP response was what I was after, I just found Terry O'Connors comments interesting.

It would flash up on your screen that you have a PM, so I mustn't have

I send you one so you can see what happens

[cpwigan]

Nee Naw I guess contractual and other off field matters. A sports club is a strange environment split between the playing side and the overall management. The playing side whilst more public is IMO far easier to deal with; the overall management is far more difficult and you are in a 'sense' divorced no matter what you think about your relationship with those employees delivering out on the pitch and why should it be any different. Jack Hilton was very important in brdging that barrier when the gang of 4 had their success. Not many directors etc have that playing experience in their armoury.

It is hard to have a strong opinion on IL without far more evidence. I did speak to Mick Hogan when he left as our CE and he described IL as a very difficult man to work for. He certainly had the evidence to make a qualified judgement. On the face of it IL has done a decent job but if you dig deeper he is far from perfect. I was not impressed to read that Madge was never our first choice and that Jones / Farrell were the intended partnership

ww.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/f ... 2phfc.html

I personally think Madge was a sublime choice but was it more by sheer good luck than excellent decision making. Would Wane be where he is now? Who knows

Are Oxford United considerably better under IL than before? IMO that would be a better indication of IL's ability? IMO Wigan was never a complete 'basket case' even under Whelan.

Success first, entertainment second. Ideally you want both BUT IMO the rules and the fitness / strength of modern players necessitates playing the sport in a clinical calculated professional manner. Look at this weekend; Hudds were made to look awful by Wire and that in turn provided some excellent one sided entertainment. Tonight, we looked awful for the first 5-10 minutes but then Widnes made some terrible blunders and we went on to provide some excellent one sided entertainment. Look at the Widnes fans, were they entertained or did they resort to finding their own form of entertainment that had nothing whatsoever to do with the game. Widnes in fact are the perfect example of success or entertainment. IMO had Widnes ever reached Wembley they would have broken our season after season CC successes, they were often more entertaining to watch BUT we were more clinical, calculated and professional. Not that we were not entertaining but winning came first!

[Owd Codger]

Nee Naw the players dislike IL far more than Wane. Several mock IL in private and refer to him as a tash faced bar steward. Unless Wane makes errors of judgement why would 'very young' players who have known him often for a large part of their careers dislike him. To the best of my knowledge he has little to do with contractural matters so he is only dealing with day to day coaching matters.

You have to remember that neither Noble nor Madge were disliked by the players either. Arguably both, certainly Madge had far more 'attraction' to star Antipodean players and once Madge went those players went too. Moreover, Wane has been unable to influence players that he has coached from leaving for a variety of reasons (many far beyond Wane's control but equally his 'pull' has not prevented them) such as Sam, Hock, Mossop, Pat and Tuson this season and others like Tommy in the previous season.

Wigan fans? IMO are concerned about success first and foremost. If you asked fans would they forego success (CC or GF win) for entertainment IMO they would want success above all else and ideally both. Wane will never have a better opportunity than 2013 to deliver a CC win given our luck in the draw. 80 minutes v either Wire or Hull could secure Wane a new contract and the support of 99.9% of Wigan fans.

Thanks for the response CP, personally I wasn't getting at any 'failings of Wane' so don't know why this has been merged but I appreciate the response!
For my own curiosity CP, why do the players take a dislike to IL? Contract issues etc?
Personally, as a Wigan fan I want success, I believe Wane can provide that. What's your opinion: success or entertaining rugby?
What's your personal opinion of IL?

He does not like him for personal reasons which I suspect has nothing whatsoever to do with his claim about the players.

[cpwigan]

You really are clueless WW. I neither like or dislike people who are responsible for a club I am passionate about. It is always about Wigan RLFC being the most successful club they can be and in RL. THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS!!

[Owd Codger]

You really are clueless WW. I neither like or dislike people who are responsible for a club I am passionate about. It is always about Wigan RLFC being the most successful club they can be and in RL. THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS!!

If that is the case, why do you spend countless time on here swiping at Lenaghan and Wane who have the backing of the vast majority of supporters.

[shaunedwardsfanclub]

Nee Naw I guess contractual and other off field matters. A sports club is a strange environment split between the playing side and the overall management. The playing side whilst more public is IMO far easier to deal with; the overall management is far more difficult and you are in a 'sense' divorced no matter what you think about your relationship with those employees delivering out on the pitch and why should it be any different. Jack Hilton was very important in brdging that barrier when the gang of 4 had their success. Not many directors etc have that playing experience in their armoury.

It is hard to have a strong opinion on IL without far more evidence. I did speak to Mick Hogan when he left as our CE and he described IL as a very difficult man to work for. He certainly had the evidence to make a qualified judgement. On the face of it IL has done a decent job but if you dig deeper he is far from perfect. I was not impressed to read that Madge was never our first choice and that Jones / Farrell were the intended partnership

ww.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/f ... 2phfc.html

I personally think Madge was a sublime choice but was it more by sheer good luck than excellent decision making. Would Wane be where he is now? Who knows

Are Oxford United considerably better under IL than before? IMO that would be a better indication of IL's ability? IMO Wigan was never a complete 'basket case' even under Whelan.

Success first, entertainment second. Ideally you want both BUT IMO the rules and the fitness / strength of modern players necessitates playing the sport in a clinical calculated professional manner. Look at this weekend; Hudds were made to look awful by Wire and that in turn provided some excellent one sided entertainment. Tonight, we looked awful for the first 5-10 minutes but then Widnes made some terrible blunders and we went on to provide some excellent one sided entertainment. Look at the Widnes fans, were they entertained or did they resort to finding their own form of entertainment that had nothing whatsoever to do with the game. Widnes in fact are the perfect example of success or entertainment. IMO had Widnes ever reached Wembley they would have broken our season after season CC successes, they were often more entertaining to watch BUT we were more clinical, calculated and professional. Not that we were not entertaining but winning came first!

Rads will take over more and more day to day management of the club in the next few years with IFL taking a more backward seat. Maybe Rads is the next Jack Hilton, I hope so.

Regarding success or entertainment, only the former counts for me. Nobody remembers a team that plays outstanding, flowing rugby unless it is successful. We will, however, need to change our style of play in the coming weeks if we are to win the big games and create history.

[DaveO]

He does not like him for personal reasons which I suspect has nothing whatsoever to do with his claim about the players.

Can we please refrain from posts like this?

CPW has a made a clear case as to what faults he thinks Wane has as a coach so your one liner accusation just looks like yet another bit of sniping at the poster rather than the posters views.

[josie andrews]

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