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But it will be MM out and none in. Does that suit you?

i think the problem with our hookers is more down to what they are being told to play

i am pretty sure that both MM and SP are capable of running more from dummy half, but are told to pass. MM played differently in world cup game and SP is a half back by trade, so more than capable of running with the ball in hand

James Roby in a Wigan side would be half as effective as he is in the Saint side as he would be coached to get the ball out of dummy half, and not to scoot / play what he sees

for what its worth i am pretty sure that either MM or SP can play for the full 80 minutes, so again i believe that the wasted substitution on the clock is down to the coaching to either keep players happy or just to be stubborn because thats what he believes is right. i just look at the other hookers in the league who play 80 mins week in week out, and are also more effective than what we see from 2 * 40 mins stints

Rewatch some of our games from last season involving Micky, he's signalling to come off very quickly. What ever the problem is we are getting kept in the dark

the pieman wrote:i think the problem with our hookers is more down to what they are being told to play

i am pretty sure that both MM and SP are capable of running more from dummy half, but are told to pass. MM played differently in world cup game and SP is a half back by trade, so more than capable of running with the ball in hand

James Roby in a Wigan side would be half as effective as he is in the Saint side as he would be coached to get the ball out of dummy half, and not to scoot / play what he sees

for what its worth i am pretty sure that either MM or SP can play for the full 80 minutes, so again i believe that the wasted substitution on the clock is down to the coaching to either keep players happy or just to be stubborn because thats what he believes is right. i just look at the other hookers in the league who play 80 mins week in week out, and are also more effective than what we see from 2 * 40 mins stints

What's the obsession in this country with running from dummy half? How often does Cameron Smith do it? How often did Martin Dermott do it? They are/were hookers whose passing ability and decision making from dummy half give their halfbacks time and space.How often does Cameron Smith get tackled in possession compared to the Robys, Highams, Clarkes in our game?

No straw damn us wrote:

the pieman wrote:i think the problem with our hookers is more down to what they are being told to play

i am pretty sure that both MM and SP are capable of running more from dummy half, but are told to pass. MM played differently in world cup game and SP is a half back by trade, so more than capable of running with the ball in hand

James Roby in a Wigan side would be half as effective as he is in the Saint side as he would be coached to get the ball out of dummy half, and not to scoot / play what he sees

for what its worth i am pretty sure that either MM or SP can play for the full 80 minutes, so again i believe that the wasted substitution on the clock is down to the coaching to either keep players happy or just to be stubborn because thats what he believes is right. i just look at the other hookers in the league who play 80 mins week in week out, and are also more effective than what we see from 2 * 40 mins stints

What's the obsession in this country with running from dummy half? How often does Cameron Smith do it? How often did Martin Dermott do it? They are/were hookers whose passing ability and decision making from dummy half give their halfbacks time and space.How often does Cameron Smith get tackled in possession compared to the Robys, Highams, Clarkes in our game?

thats a very good point..... the better hookers seem to move sideways and pick there passes( rather than scooting or passing straight away) albeit thats diwn too tactics or quicker play the balls....terry newton and james lowes were also good at this

No straw damn us wrote:

the pieman wrote:i think the problem with our hookers is more down to what they are being told to play

i am pretty sure that both MM and SP are capable of running more from dummy half, but are told to pass. MM played differently in world cup game and SP is a half back by trade, so more than capable of running with the ball in hand

James Roby in a Wigan side would be half as effective as he is in the Saint side as he would be coached to get the ball out of dummy half, and not to scoot / play what he sees

for what its worth i am pretty sure that either MM or SP can play for the full 80 minutes, so again i believe that the wasted substitution on the clock is down to the coaching to either keep players happy or just to be stubborn because thats what he believes is right. i just look at the other hookers in the league who play 80 mins week in week out, and are also more effective than what we see from 2 * 40 mins stints

What's the obsession in this country with running from dummy half? How often does Cameron Smith do it? How often did Martin Dermott do it? They are/were hookers whose passing ability and decision making from dummy half give their halfbacks time and space.How often does Cameron Smith get tackled in possession compared to the Robys, Highams, Clarkes in our game?

Martin Dermott is the best modern day hooker that Wigan have had, Cam Smith is the finest I have seen. However, if they operated within our current game plan even they would struggle.

We have four hookers next season, something has to give!

shaunedwardsfan​club​ wrote:We have four hookers next season, something has to give!

so is Sam T taking over in the halves from Tommy?

thegimble wrote:

shaunedwardsfan​club​ wrote:We have four hookers next season, something has to give!

so is Sam T taking over in the halves from Tommy?

Or Escare, he also started in the halfback position.

Wandering Warrior wrote:But it will be MM out and none in. Does that suit you?

Like I said earlier, I would let MM go ‘if’ a decent signing was coming in