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I've just come indoors out of the blistering heat after consuming 2x bottles of wine so Iapologies all around. Whilst enjoying the sun I felt it incumbent of me to make the following post. We are at the top of the League thanks to the players,the coach and his team of experienced ex players and others The League leadership at the end of the season is the raison d'etra for the justification of the title 'champions It is for the Premier League Football. Why not for us( not.Thats a rehtorical question not needing an answer}The standard of rugby skills has gone up as far as I,m concerned and I have no facts and figures to back this statement up It's based on intuition which is driven by experience of a Rugby League supporter in general and a Wigan supporter in particular.I have previously stated how long I have supported Wigan 40 of those years has a season ticket holder(not that that matters but it seems to do I'm reasonably informed to some who post on hereI'm not going to go into an exegis as to what I/ve said and I would extol those who feel intimidated by the regular contributors to contribute their views. they are just has worthy of reading as theirs

I am.new to the site and my first post was in favour of Wane, i do not understand what people want? Top of the league; quarter finals of the cup, and playing good rugby league

I like Shaun Wane he's a good coach and never makes excuses, plus you can see from game to game he's always trying to fix things he isn't happy about. Also he is excellent at blooding in new talent, all this while also coping with an injury crisis that would have most bosses crying in a small dark room.

We are lucky to have him and he knows he's in a privileged position to coach our great club so we all win.

At the end of the season we'll have finished top of the league, won the challenge cup and be grand final winners, will people still complain?

First and foremost. Every opinion is welcome by everybody here. The more opinions the better. So keep posting. Nobody will ever abuse you in these forums and you do not get away supporters trolling and baiting.

Above all; Remember we are all fans, crazy fans of OUR club. Some fans on here are far far more devoted than I will be or 99% of us. Josie Andrews, a moderator for example. So nobody here has any agenda, any axe to grind or wishes to be negative.

I and Davo O, probably represent a large portion of the critical posts but neither of us wanted anybody but Wane as our coach after Madge. The basic reason being continuity. We had a club that was successful under Madge winning a major competition in each season that he was here. The systems were in place to continue delivering such success.

Success is incredibly hard to attain and once you start getting some you need to maintain it for as long as possible. Sadly, after 2 seasons our success ended. People can argue about League Leaders etc etc but the bottom line is that under the rules the RFL play to finishing 1st in the regular season is meaningless. Most teams do not even try to finish 1st and concentrate on developing players until they hit the play offs. Leeds have made a mockery of the system but they are in the record books as champions.

It is my opinion that the ideas put in place by Madge have largely been ignored from day 1 that Wane took over in a manner not seen since John Dorahay (who you could if you wanted argue was a great coach, winning numerous competitions). So yes IMO you will see far more exciting games under Wane because his way of playing frequently relinquishes control of games for very large periods. Mistakes make for entertainment in sport. They always have always will.

I prefer the clinical execution of a game plan that dominates and hurts the opposition rather than ourselves. I find that style of RL to be far more skilful and successful but if you want games toing and froing across the 80 minutes then Wane is your man, such a style has in recent seasons not delivered success very often. Moreover, I would argue apart from Sam our team is not suited to that way of playing RL.

Just my view and anybody / everybody is more than welcome to offer theirs too. Keep posting!!

Kaii wrote:I like Shaun Wane he's a good coach and never makes excuses, plus you can see from game to game he's always trying to fix things he isn't happy about. Also he is excellent at blooding in new talent, all this while also coping with an injury crisis that would have most bosses crying in a small dark room.

We are lucky to have him and he knows he's in a privileged position to coach our great club so we all win.

At the end of the season we'll have finished top of the league, won the challenge cup and be grand final winners, will people still complain?

Let's see at the end of the season whether he can be judged in a positive manner Kaii. If there's a Challenge Cup or GF Trophy in the cabinet I'll say he's done good.

devon jim 1 wrote:I've just come indoors out of the blistering heat after consuming 2x bottles of wine so Iapologies all around. Whilst enjoying the sun I felt it incumbent of me to make the following post. We are at the top of the League thanks to the players,the coach and his team of experienced ex players and others The League leadership at the end of the season is the raison d'etra for the justification of the title 'champions It is for the Premier League Football. Why not for us( not.Thats a rehtorical question not needing an answer}The standard of rugby skills has gone up as far as I,m concerned and I have no facts and figures to back this statement up It's based on intuition which is driven by experience of a Rugby League supporter in general and a Wigan supporter in particular.I have previously stated how long I have supported Wigan 40 of those years has a season ticket
holder(not that that matters but it seems to do I'm
reasonably informed to some who post on hereI'm not going to go into an exegis as to what I/ve said and I would extol those who feel intimidated by the regular contributors to contribute their views. they are just has worthy of reading as theirs

Your comments reflect the majority of supporters of the Warriors in regard to Wane.

Whelley
Can you share the results of your straw poll to confirm your statement?

I'm going to try and add some balance if i may.

I don't think Wane is doing a bad job, but I don't think he should be praised too highly for the job he has done either.

Winning the LLS should be a target for all teams, but I'm not sure if it needs to be the priority - however, I don't think that aiming to win the LLS last season is the reason we didn't win the other trophies. Our approaches to the games we lost in both semi-finals wasn't appropriate - or as appropriate as the approach taken by our opponents. We were without Tommy for the Cup semi and Sam for the Play-off semi. We didn't really have an appropriate alternative way of playing that could account for such fundamental players to the get it wide and look for gaps on the edges attacking philosophy Wane has. Ball control and applying pressure to the opposition territorially were not given enough focus.

Has he learned from his mistakes is the real question. Based on the games we've missed Sam and Lockers this year I'm not sure he has.

We might put 50+ points up more often under Wane but we haven't won a decisive match without his plan A guys on the pitch under him yet either.

If we come out of this season with a final victory then I feel his approach may be vindicated, but even more so if on the way we have to win crucial & difficult a game without Sam or Lockers and actually do so - in this case he must have shown he can get the players ready to play how they need to play and not just how he might want to see rugby played more often than not.

markill wrote:I'm going to try and add some balance if i may.

I don't think Wane is doing a bad job, but I don't think he should be praised too highly for the job he has done either.

Winning the LLS should be a target for all teams, but I'm not sure if it needs to be the priority - however, I don't think that aiming to win the LLS last season is the reason we didn't win the other trophies. Our approaches to the games we lost in both semi-finals wasn't appropriate - or as appropriate as the approach taken by our opponents. We were without Tommy for the Cup semi and Sam for the Play-off semi. We didn't really have an appropriate alternative way of playing that could account for such fundamental players to the get it wide and look for gaps on the edges attacking philosophy Wane has. Ball control and applying pressure to the opposition territorially were not given enough focus.

Has he learned from his mistakes is the real question. Based on the games we've missed Sam and Lockers this year I'm not sure he has.

We might put 50+ points up more often under Wane but we haven't won a decisive match without his plan A guys on the pitch under him yet either.

If we come out of this season with a final victory then I feel his approach may be vindicated, but even more so if on the way we have to win crucial & difficult a game without Sam or Lockers and actually do so - in this case he must have shown he can get the players ready to play how they need to play and not just how he might want to see rugby played more often than not.

I think that is a fair summary. I think if we have all the players fit Wane's methods and tactics stand a chance of success but I don't think we'd necessarily be favourites even if we win the LLS. That is the difference in expectations I have with the team under Wane compared to Madge.

I was very confident in the tactics under Madge and I think the players were too. Virtually the same team looked far more effective than under Noble.

I don't think the same applies now. I think teams like Wire and Hudds know how to deal with Wane's tactics and you can see the effect of missing Sam and Lockers has on the side.

With a bit of luck there is time for injured players not only to return but to rediscover their form and match fitness. I think our best chance will be with all the 1st team fit because it doesn't take much in terms of absentees to screw it up.

Excellent post Mark. To be honest if SW delivers the CC or GF it would be very churlish to criticise him or anybody for that matter. Although, that and more never stopped Dorahay getting the boot.

I cannot remember if it was Jack Gibson or Wayne Bennett who said the art of coaching is to create a game plan that suits the players at your disposal rather than trying to make those players fit your game plan. I am not sure we do that and the majority of our players are not suited to our current game plan bar Sam for whom it is ideal.

Wigan under SW remind me of Saints back in the 80s/early 90s AND more recently Wire of say 3+ years ago. When everything clicks into place the results can be sublimae and hopefully we can replicate Wire winning the CC. I do think the CC is the better opportunity given the pitch and often decent weather conditions. I long held the view that if Widnes in their pomp had got to Wembley they could have ended our run of CC victories but therein lies the crux, they never did and would break down when it mattered despite playing more 'exciting' RL than Wigan did.

I do think the Madge way is the easier way to achieve success.