Hooper for Warriors?

[thegimble]

MrsLam posted:

thegimble posted:
Grow up please.

Fact is they are far ahead of us at the moment. And who exazctly do you think hes going to turn into a better player.

Kevin lets panic Brown
Mark Im A Centre not a winger Aspinwall

Some players are just not good enough.

Apart from Newton, Dallas and Tickle hardly any one from the Wigan squad would get a lookin at the Saints.

Why is it that when someone mentions that Saints have better players the reaction on here is to say go and support them.

If we sign a couple of the Saints players then by your reaction can i take it youll go and watch where ever our players who gets released will go. Wether it be Leigh Widness London.

They are far ahead of us and have more chance of winning something this season, so this would mean that Saints will be offloading them? That wouldn't make sense from their point of view.

We have let enough players in the past go so why are you asking me if I wll be following any players that leave? I clearly haven't before. And why is the reaction on this board, "Grow up" when people have a different opinion?

I haven't denied that they do have some quality but what I have said is that I don't want to become Widnes and be a Saints reject team. I don't think a massive change of the team is what is needed. A few should go I agree, Aspy, Carney if the rumours are true, Orr if he doesn't start playing well under Millward and SeuSeu if he doesn't start playing like a prop.

I have pride in this team and how the effort has been made to bring in local lads and try to make them the best they can, unfortunately this hasn't come off for us (yet?) but this is because too many were brought in at one time, we should have gradually introduced 2 or 3 a season. Wigan should be proud of their nearly all British team, if Millward is going to get any respect off me it will be for what he does with OUR team now not what he has already done with Saints.

My reaction of Grow Up was due to your post of telling me to go and watch the Saints.

What would you rather have an average Wigan side filed with local players.

Or

Top 2-3 side with quality players from NRL and SL.

Reason why the Saints is far ahead of us now is down to one mans planning.

There is now way IM will bring in a player from the Saints who we would see as a reject. But from there squad they have at least 15 quality players. How many of them ar local lads from the Town. that is not meant to get you angry id just like to know.

As with Bull, Rhinos and Saints success over the Gran Finals era it is done with both young players and clever manouvering in the transfer market.

Bulls - Vagana, Vainokolo, Paul brothers
Saints - Sculthorpe, Long, Albert
Rhinos - Lauititi, Senior, Bai, Furner

Some of these were recruited from the NRL and Some from SL clubs. A good recruitment policy has got these clubs trophies over the last 5-6 years.


And that is what we lacked for over 5 years now. We sign over the hill or injured NRL players.

Apart from Lam and Craig Smith and Furner i cannot remember us brining in a Quality player from Oz who made an impact here even Renouff was not the same as he was at the Broncos. I do not disagree with you that we need local talent but it must be quality and not numbers as it is now.

The lack of quality from the NRL has happened after the inagural grand final. We gave away too many big contracts to Faz, Connolly and someothers and that has taken us back.

[MrsLam]

Only 5 or 6 locals and they're not from St Helens.

I've already agreed with you on your previous post. We need local talent but also experienced talent for good mix. We've not had this because of bad planning, too many youngsters was never going to work straight away and we were promised a transition period but afterwards, glory. We haven't had that with the lads yet which is why some do need to be offloaded, the ones I've mentioned above are the guys I'm least impressed with this year. What annoys me is that SeuSeu, Orr and Carney have all shown signs in the past of becoming amazing players. Carney has been hit with injuries this year and seems scared of doing anything on the pitch, SeuSeu hasn't made a proper impact yet, he doesn't run onto the ball most of our team is standing still when collecting the pass which is why we hardly ever make any yards, and Orr, well I don't know whats happened to Orr but hopefully the stand off scrum half relationship will be sorted soon because I'm getting a bit sick of watching boring up the middle predictable rugby.

[HappyHooker]

Sorry to sound boring, but the reason SeuSeu is so crap in the go-forward department is down to his pace (acceleration), and more specifically the physiscs that come with it.Newton's law ala number 2 (Not Terry!!), means that even while Jerry is bigger; the acceleration and speed of Dallas means he will make more yards. Look at Jerry 4 years ago when he had pace - he was a damn fine prop.

Get rid, or get him doing sprint training!

[Fraggle]

HappyHooker posted:
Sorry to sound boring, but the reason SeuSeu is so crap in the go-forward department is down to his pace (acceleration), and more specifically the physiscs that come with it.Newton's law ala number 2 (Not Terry!!), means that even while Jerry is bigger; the acceleration and speed of Dallas means he will make more yards. Look at Jerry 4 years ago when he had pace - he was a damn fine prop.

Get rid, or get him doing sprint training!

Sorry, I think you're wrong. The reason he's so poor going forward is that half the time he insists on passing the ball 5 meters before even meeting the defensive line. Props are supposed to take hits, and as senior forward he should be showing the way, but for some reason he keeps ducking out of taking the hits. Maybe he was watching Pongia last year who was that rarity of a ball-handling (and kicking!) prop, but Seuseu is not a patch on Quentin. Jerry needs to start making drives at the opposition and gettting them to tackle him, not passing to his 2nd row colleagues to get splatted instead.

Prescott was far more use going forward, if a kid can do it then why not a seasoned international?

[Fraggle]

earl_crabtree_w anna_be posted:

mrs_carney posted:

earl_crabtree_w anna_be posted:
EARL CRABTREE FOR WIGAN!!! mayb if we get tony smith as a coach we'll get him :eusa10:

sayin this tho, if we do sign sum saints players i will eat my words

We've already had one tall useless donkey this season and hes gone to join earl, so lets leave them be. Why the hell would we want tony smith as coach, i found out today he is possibly the most irritating coach in SL.

you dont get sarcasm do you?! and anyway Earl is not a donkey, against us he did the most running in the game, when they went up he wuz in almost every tackle, puttin us on our bottoms! actually watch games then reply, yah?

He was pretty ineffective and had his worst game I've seen so far against Wigan the other week. For a guy his size he was causing no more problems to us than McDonald was causing to Huddersfield.

I don't like to be picky, but shouldn't you at least try and spell your man's name right - last time I looked it was Eeyore Crabtree

[GeoffN]

thegimble posted:
Apart from Lam

PNG

and Craig Smith

NZ

and Furner i cannot remember us brining in a Quality player from Oz who made an impact here even Renouff was not the same as he was at the Broncos. I do not disagree with you that we need local talent but it must be quality and not numbers as it is now.

Partly because of the reduced quota, partly because the top Aussies will not lose their chances of Origin/Test selection. None of the SL clubs have a top quality Aussie, by definition.

The lack of quality from the NRL has happened after the inagural grand final. We gave away too many big contracts to Faz, Connolly and someothers and that has taken us back.

Because of the change to summer rugby, making our season coincide with the NRL. What's the difference between big contracts to Faz, Rads etc. and big contracts for an Aussie that feels he isn't good enough for Origin selection, and is thus, by definition, second rate? Wherever the quality comes from, it has to be paid for with a big contract, otherwise it isn't quality - you get what you pay for in SL, as in everything else.

[jinkin jimmy]

So GeoffN you're saying any Aussie who doesn't make the Origin teams is second rate? I wouldn't mind that 2nd rate centre at Saints!!

Brett Kimmorley has just been dropped - does that mean he isn't good enough for a big contract over here :sly:

[earl_crabtree_wanna_be]

Fraggle posted:

earl_crabtree_w anna_be posted:

mrs_carney posted: We've already had one tall useless donkey this season and hes gone to join earl, so lets leave them be. Why the hell would we want tony smith as coach, i found out today he is possibly the most irritating coach in SL.

you dont get sarcasm do you?! and anyway Earl is not a donkey, against us he did the most running in the game, when they went up he wuz in almost every tackle, puttin us on our bottoms! actually watch games then reply, yah?

He was pretty ineffective and had his worst game I've seen so far against Wigan the other week. For a guy his size he was causing no more problems to us than McDonald was causing to Huddersfield.

I don't like to be picky, but shouldn't you at least try and spell your man's name right - last time I looked it was Eeyore Crabtree

ineffective?? now i can tell ur jus annoyed at me! crabtree was making more yards than any wigan forward, tackling more than any wigan player in that game! and ive genuinely lost count of how many times ive seen him this season go through players then offload or turn to offload, the sign of any good prop, ala our scully

the wrestler 'big daddy' aint his uncle for nothing!

[Fraggle]

earl_crabtree_w anna_be posted:
ineffective?? now i can tell ur jus annoyed at me! crabtree was making more yards than any wigan forward, tackling more than any wigan player in that game!

Maybe he was, but our props are currently even worse. Just because he's better than Seuseu and Old Macdonald doesn't make him good. Nothing to do with you, I was genuinely disappointed in him and expected more based on what I've seen in the past. Quite a few times the Wigan players brought him down so easily it was embarressing, I think I'd rather have a Paul Anderson-style bulldozer to a giant.

and ive genuinely lost count of how many times ive seen him this season go through players then offload or turn to offload, the sign of any good prop, ala our scully

Try using the other hand to count, you'll be able to double your counting to 10 if you're lucky.

the wrestler 'big daddy' aint his uncle for nothing!

Ah yes, the onetime-hero-to-old-grannies Shirley Crabtree. Dare I say someone else who used his size to mask the fact he didn't really have any proper talent?

[earl_crabtree_wanna_be]

firstly - counting thing werent funny, n i stand by it, i have lost count because i dont watch the game with a pen and paper, unlike you who im guessing doesn't any games except wigans.

secondly - you cannot blame our props for not tackling earl, as he makes breaks in most games he plays

and finally - shirley crabtree one of the most famous wrestlers of all time, speaks for itself that he has talent, and dont get me started on wrestling, because all your rugby geeks, and i will confess im a wrestling geek