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Re: Another Labour front bencher - clueless. Do you REALLY want these...

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:36 pm
by morley pie eater

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/b ... irror_main

What's the difference between someone with type 2 diabetes and somebody with type 1 idiocy?

Re: Another Labour front bencher - clueless. Do you REALLY want these...

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:40 am
by pedro
fozzieskem wrote:I would have thought given no majority there would have to be another referendum on the treaty,would think that at the very least is a must as the clueless botcher May was looking for a mandate to carry it through.

I suspect if its not forthcoming you'll see the youngsters getting themseleves more motivated than they are at the moment,and no doubt telling us about it on twitter etc.
so if there was another and the vote was reversed by the same amount do you think that would stand or not? I suggest it would as the remain are the feet stampers and toys out of the pram kind of people.

Re: Another Labour front bencher - clueless. Do you REALLY want these...

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:42 pm
by Wandering Warrior
Farage actually said before the referendum that if the result was 51/49 in favour of remain he would be pushing for another vote.
So it's reasonable to say he was throwing his toys out of the pram before the vote!
As it's turned out people now realise that immigration will not change and free trade with Europe will be watered down and we'll still be chucking cash in.

Re: Another Labour front bencher - clueless. Do you REALLY want these...

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:57 pm
by pedro
nothing has been decided at all....

Re: Another Labour front bencher - clueless. Do you REALLY want these...

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:07 pm
by Wandering Warrior
No, nothing has been decided but the only way immigration will fall is when people with skills we need will stop coming in. That's already started in the NHS, but the dregs won't stop coming I'm afraid. Add to the open border, that has a good chance of occurring, in NI and away we go!
May couldn't sort it as Home Secretary, there's little to show as PM that it can be any different!?!

Re: Another Labour front bencher - clueless. Do you REALLY want these...

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:41 pm
by pedro
imigration will fall if we enforce our closed border policy, we can grant visas like the US and Australia, she can try without the EU stopping us as we had to abide by their rules as their court had a higher standing than ours.

Re: Another Labour front bencher - clueless. Do you REALLY want these...

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:08 pm
by jobo
pedro wrote:imigration will fall if we enforce our closed border policy, we can grant visas like the US and Australia, she can try without the EU stopping us as we had to abide by their rules as their court had a higher standing than ours.
Sorry Pedro, you are wrong.

I'm not going to post a link but if you research it, you'll find the reason why.

Re: Another Labour front bencher - clueless. Do you REALLY want these...

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:16 pm
by pedro
on what part? 2 things there

Re: Another Labour front bencher - clueless. Do you REALLY want these...

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:31 pm
by jobo
pedro wrote:on what part? 2 things there
The part were you say the EU stop us from enforcing border controls.

Free movement within Europe was agreed between all the members. Immigration from outside the EU has always been under our sole jurisdiction.

Re: Another Labour front bencher - clueless. Do you REALLY want these...

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:58 pm
by Wigan_forever1985
immigration is not exceptionally an issue in our country its a made up xenophobic piece of propaganda to serve governments that like to blame johnny foreigner for ripping off workers.

Quick glance on fullfact.org a completely independent organisation that soley look at studies and figures found the following

a study considering the period between 1992 and 2014, found that a 1% rise in the share of immigrants reduced averages wages in unskilled and semi-skilled service sector by just under 0.2%.

and this..

A study from 2012 which analysed data from 1975-2005 concluded that the main impact of increased immigration is on the wages of immigrants already in the UK. They find that university-educated immigrants are particularly impacted by migration, but that there is little effect on the wage of the UK-born.

hardly the epidemic that farage and his other xenophobes potray