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old hooker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:23 am

Woody1989 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:05 pm

old hooker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:02 pm Stats mean nothing, you can make them read whatever you wish so this is a pointless comparison.

This is a pretty daft statement. The stats are pretty much the only constant in our game and you can't 'make them read whatever you wish', you can interprept them differently (which I think is probably what you mean?) but the numbers themselves don't lie.

There are certain things you can't easily quantify (influence, organisational ability and leadership on the pitch for instance) but stats like the ones presented are a pretty good measure of what's going on.

Yes you can make them whatever you wish, simple as that.

So we lost the last GF? I guess you *can* make the final score whatever you like.

Mike wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:58 pm

old hooker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:23 am

Woody1989 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:05 pm

This is a pretty daft statement. The stats are pretty much the only constant in our game and you can't 'make them read whatever you wish', you can interprept them differently (which I think is probably what you mean?) but the numbers themselves don't lie.

There are certain things you can't easily quantify (influence, organisational ability and leadership on the pitch for instance) but stats like the ones presented are a pretty good measure of what's going on.

Yes you can make them whatever you wish, simple as that.

So we lost the last GF? I guess you *can* make the final score whatever you like.

dont be ridiculous

old hooker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:23 am

Woody1989 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:05 pm

old hooker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:02 pm Stats mean nothing, you can make them read whatever you wish so this is a pointless comparison.

This is a pretty daft statement. The stats are pretty much the only constant in our game and you can't 'make them read whatever you wish', you can interprept them differently (which I think is probably what you mean?) but the numbers themselves don't lie.

There are certain things you can't easily quantify (influence, organisational ability and leadership on the pitch for instance) but stats like the ones presented are a pretty good measure of what's going on.

Yes you can make them whatever you wish, simple as that.

So, for clarity and to avoid arguing about opinion or abstract concepts, please explain how you make, for example, 14 tries mean anything other than 14 tries?

old hooker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:37 am

Mike wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:58 pm

old hooker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:23 am

Yes you can make them whatever you wish, simple as that.

So we lost the last GF? I guess you *can* make the final score whatever you like.

dont be ridiculous

Be charitable OH It's something he's really good atViz being rediculous
satistically speaking that is.

SJ wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:18 pm

old hooker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:37 am

Mike wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:58 pm

So we lost the last GF? I guess you *can* make the final score whatever you like.

dont be ridiculous

Be charitable OH It's something he's really good atViz being rediculous

Another "there's no such thing as facts" poster backing you up here.

Flash wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:45 am

old hooker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:23 am

Woody1989 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:05 pm

This is a pretty daft statement. The stats are pretty much the only constant in our game and you can't 'make them read whatever you wish', you can interprept them differently (which I think is probably what you mean?) but the numbers themselves don't lie.

There are certain things you can't easily quantify (influence, organisational ability and leadership on the pitch for instance) but stats like the ones presented are a pretty good measure of what's going on.

Yes you can make them whatever you wish, simple as that.

So, for clarity and to avoid arguing about opinion or abstract concepts, please explain how you make, for example, 14 tries mean anything other than 14 tries?

Oh they definitely won't explain their opinion. We're in a world where an opinion is just as valid as a fact and justifications are unnecessary.

Mike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:27 pm

SJ wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:18 pm

old hooker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:37 am

dont be ridiculous

Be charitable OH It's something he's really good atViz being rediculous

Another "there's no such thing as facts" poster backing you up here.

I'm not surprised
. It's an opinion not a fact

Flash wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:45 am

old hooker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:23 am

Woody1989 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:05 pm

This is a pretty daft statement. The stats are pretty much the only constant in our game and you can't 'make them read whatever you wish', you can interprept them differently (which I think is probably what you mean?) but the numbers themselves don't lie.

There are certain things you can't easily quantify (influence, organisational ability and leadership on the pitch for instance) but stats like the ones presented are a pretty good measure of what's going on.

Yes you can make them whatever you wish, simple as that.

So, for clarity and to avoid arguing about opinion or abstract concepts, please explain how you make, for example, 14 tries mean anything other than 14 tries?

14 tries = 14 tries each try scored in very. differen circumstances etc,therefore their. Comparisons are not like for like so not = so to speak

SJ wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:12 pm

Flash wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:45 am

old hooker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:23 am

Yes you can make them whatever you wish, simple as that.

So, for clarity and to avoid arguing about opinion or abstract concepts, please explain how you make, for example, 14 tries mean anything other than 14 tries?

14 tries = 14 tries each try scored in very. differen circumstances etc,therefore their. Comparisons are not like for like so not = so to speak

And who is the arbiter of the relative strength of those tries? (if such a concept actually exists). Is George beating 3 or 4 players to score an individualistic try better or worse than Trueman backing up a break by another player to put the ball over the line and, more importantly, how do the statistics help you prove one or the other?

I'll answer for you if I may; they don't. The statistics say George has scored 14 tries. That's all it says. It can't be made to say anything different.

In other words, when people say 'statistics can prove anything' what they're actually saying is 'I can believe what I want, despite the statistics' just as you did above. That is not the same thing. Not even close.

Flash wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:20 pm

SJ wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:12 pm

Flash wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:45 am
So, for clarity and to avoid arguing about opinion or abstract concepts, please explain how you make, for example, 14 tries mean anything other than 14 tries?

14 tries = 14 tries each try scored in very. differen circumstances etc,therefore their. Comparisons are not like for like so not = so to speak

And who is the arbiter of the relative strength of those tries? (if such a concept actually exists). Is George beating 3 or 4 players to score an individualistic try better or worse than Trueman backing up a break by another player to put the ball over the line and, more importantly, how do the statistics help you prove one or the other?

I'll answer for you if I may; they don't. The statistics say George has scored 14 tries. That's all it says. It can't be made to say anything different.

In other words, when people say 'statistics can prove anything' what they're actually saying is 'I can believe what I want, despite the statistics' just as you did above. That is not the same thing. Not even close.

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