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Re: Rushton
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:47 am
by Wigan_forever1985
Its difficult because we seem to becoming Canberra's feeder club and if IL history is anything to go b what we are essentially doing with them is "take x player, if he works out great if he doesnt we'll have him back off you quick sharp"
But lets face facts how many young lads in general want to go live in Aus for a bit i know loads of my mates whove done a year there or stayed on. Couple that with doing your current job for more money and its a no brainer. Its in NRL's teams interest to get the lads younger too that way less likely to have roots like a family.
We are the scottish league to the nrl's premier league - we simply are never going to compete so we need a hook to our league
Re: Rushton
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:15 am
by EDINBURGH-WARRIOR
Wigan_forever1985 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:47 am
Its difficult because we seem to becoming Canberra's feeder club and if IL history is anything to go b what we are essentially doing with them is "take x player, if he works out great if he doesnt we'll have him back off you quick sharp"
But lets face facts how many young lads in general want to go live in Aus for a bit i know loads of my mates whove done a year there or stayed on. Couple that with doing your current job for more money and its a no brainer. Its in NRL's teams interest to get the lads younger too that way less likely to have roots like a family.
We are the scottish league to the nrl's premier league - we simply are never going to compete so we need a hook to our league
Give over the Scottish League is not as good as that lol
Re: Rushton
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:18 am
by No straw damn us
It's happened before with Saints and Leeds. Saints lost Levy Nzoungou and Andre Savelio, Leeds with Mason Tonks and Jordan Baldwinson.
None of them really made it over there which should be a warning to most young players.
They all finished up coming back over here in a short space of time.
Re: Rushton
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:04 pm
by wall_of_voodoo
No straw damn us wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:18 am
It's happened before with Saints and Leeds. Saints lost Levy Nzoungou and Andre Savelio, Leeds with Mason Tonks and Jordan Baldwinson.
None of them really made it over there which should be a warning to most young players.
Well we best hope that young Rushton is a failure otherwise the floodgates might well open
Now the examples you gave were all not great examples
Andre Savelio was 22 when he signed for Brisbane Broncos at the end of his deal at wire on a 3 year contract. I think injury played a major part in his failure to "crack" Australia.
Levy Nzoungou was signed from French RL by saints and then signed for Melbourne Storm after only one season in scouse land. He has since rarely lasted long at any club
Jordan Baldwinson and Mason Tonks did, as you say, sign for the New Zealand Warriors on 13th July 2013 and then signed for Leeds (but loaned to the Bradford Bulls) on 15th May 2014.
The last two players I accept as similar to the current scenario with Rushton. The only problem we have is that Rushton isn't the only junior being chased. With no reserves and reduced tv money I do wonder what is really in it for Wigan to run an academy when the club got absolutely NOTHING for Rushton leaving monetary wise
Perhaps it is time for Wigan to do some deal with a NRL team in order to pool talent and hopefully not lose too many and get some in return?
Re: Rushton
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:09 pm
by josie andrews
I’m actually peed off with fecking Canberra! They sure live up to their “Raiders” title
Re: Rushton
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:55 pm
by Wintergreen
wall_of_voodoo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:04 pm
No straw damn us wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:18 am
It's happened before with Saints and Leeds. Saints lost Levy Nzoungou and Andre Savelio, Leeds with Mason Tonks and Jordan Baldwinson.
None of them really made it over there which should be a warning to most young players.
Well we best hope that young Rushton is a failure otherwise the floodgates might well open
Now the examples you gave were all not great examples
Andre Savelio was 22 when he signed for Brisbane Broncos at the end of his deal at wire on a 3 year contract. I think injury played a major part in his failure to "crack" Australia.
Levy Nzoungou was signed from French RL by saints and then signed for Melbourne Storm after only one season in scouse land. He has since rarely lasted long at any club
Jordan Baldwinson and Mason Tonks did, as you say, sign for the New Zealand Warriors on 13th July 2013 and then signed for Leeds (but loaned to the Bradford Bulls) on 15th May 2014.
The last two players I accept as similar to the current scenario with Rushton. The only problem we have is that Rushton isn't the only junior being chased. With no reserves and reduced tv money I do wonder what is really in it for Wigan to run an academy when the club got absolutely NOTHING for Rushton leaving monetary wise
Perhaps it is time for Wigan to do some deal with a NRL team in order to pool talent and hopefully not lose too many and get some in return?
But this is exactly what you would expect.
From the NRL's perspective, it doesn't matter if they fail. If they don't fail, they have picked up a bargain.
I don't know much about the NRL's funding position or how it makes money, but assuming it is in an intrinsically richer position than SL, I think the club has 2 choices.
1. To persuade the young players that it is in their interests to stay longer, to improve their game, physically grow, before trying the NRL. Difficult.
2. To scrap or significantly raise the salary cap.
Re: Rushton
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:24 pm
by jobo
Wintergreen wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:55 pm
wall_of_voodoo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:04 pm
No straw damn us wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:18 am
It's happened before with Saints and Leeds. Saints lost Levy Nzoungou and Andre Savelio, Leeds with Mason Tonks and Jordan Baldwinson.
None of them really made it over there which should be a warning to most young players.
Well we best hope that young Rushton is a failure otherwise the floodgates might well open
Now the examples you gave were all not great examples
Andre Savelio was 22 when he signed for Brisbane Broncos at the end of his deal at wire on a 3 year contract. I think injury played a major part in his failure to "crack" Australia.
Levy Nzoungou was signed from French RL by saints and then signed for Melbourne Storm after only one season in scouse land. He has since rarely lasted long at any club
Jordan Baldwinson and Mason Tonks did, as you say, sign for the New Zealand Warriors on 13th July 2013 and then signed for Leeds (but loaned to the Bradford Bulls) on 15th May 2014.
The last two players I accept as similar to the current scenario with Rushton. The only problem we have is that Rushton isn't the only junior being chased. With no reserves and reduced tv money I do wonder what is really in it for Wigan to run an academy when the club got absolutely NOTHING for Rushton leaving monetary wise
Perhaps it is time for Wigan to do some deal with a NRL team in order to pool talent and hopefully not lose too many and get some in return?
But this is exactly what you would expect.
From the NRL's perspective, it doesn't matter if they fail. If they don't fail, they have picked up a bargain.
I don't know much about the NRL's funding position or how it makes money, but assuming it is in an intrinsically richer position than SL, I think the club has 2 choices.
1. To persuade the young players that it is in their interests to stay longer, to improve their game, physically grow, before trying the NRL. Difficult.
2. To scrap or significantly raise the salary cap.
Clubs could also do what they did back in the day and give promising young players a decent, long term contract.
Re: Rushton
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:34 pm
by No straw damn us
They very rarely gave long term contracts to 18 year olds.
Do you remember Darryl Lacey?
Re: Rushton
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:08 am
by shaunedwardsfanclub
No straw damn us wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:34 pm
They very rarely gave long term contracts to 18 year olds.
Do you remember Darryl Lacey?
That's true but that strategy may have to change. There is no point spending resources recruiting and developing juniors if we cannot keep hold of them. Rushton may be the tip of the iceberg!
Re: Rushton
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:58 am
by jobo
No straw damn us wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:34 pm
They very rarely gave long term contracts to 18 year olds.
Do you remember Darryl Lacey?
I do.
The flip side to that is Andy Farrell, Sean Edwards, SOL etc. All were signed young on very good contracts with built in incentives as they progressed.
