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lucky 13 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:51 am I was imagining the opposite Nathan, personally once I'm vaccinated I can't wait to get back, I may even shed a tear.

Wigan_forever1985 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:05 am Be interesting what legislation comes in - I can see vaccinated crowds only with you being able to attend with proof of vaccine - surely best way to limit risk but get revenue through

The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection, and a full course will reduce your chance of becoming seriously ill. We do not yet know whether it will stop you from catching and passing on the virus, but we do expect it to reduce this risk. So, it is still important to follow the guidance in your local area to protect those around you.

Most people who have had Covid-19 are protected from catching it again for at least five months, a study led by Public Health England shows.

Past infection was linked to around a 83% lower risk of getting the virus, compared with those who had never had Covid-19, scientists found.

But experts warn some people do catch Covid-19 again - and can infect others.

And officials stress people should follow the stay-at-home rules - whether or not they have had the virus.

Exiled Wiganer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:35 pm I think you misunderstand the science around vaccines and the point made about immunity. The picture is far better than it looks. For instance, people get spooked by variants, because they are asking someone whether there is any risk that the vaccine won’t work against it. To which the answer has to be yes, because we haven’t had time to test it yet. However, the chances of its being so bad as to escape treatments and vaccines (which can be very quickly tweaked) is vanishingly small. If you ask someone whether they could have a car crash on the way home, then they would have to answer yes, which can make a great headline, but we all know about the risks (and what we can do to mitigate it), so we don’t see You Could Die on the Way Home Tonight! Headlines...

It is a numbers game, we are not (or should not be) attempting to eliminate the virus, merely to make it manageable. People will continue to die of it, even a small proportion of those vaccinated, but we have to move on and treat it in the same way as we do flu. We have 1) fantastic vaccines, procured brilliantly by our Government, 2) world leading treatments, developed brilliantly mostly by our scientists, and 3) the fastest roll out of any western nation. By Easter, pretty much everybody in the country who is at serious risk will have been protected by vaccines. By the autumn, many of the treatments which we are trying will vastly reduce the effects of catching it. We have had a massively heightened sense of the risks around this disease - and understandably so - but the end is very much in sight. It will be a while before I get it, but I am thrilled whenever I hear of those (such as my hale and hearty aunties and doctor brothers) who have had the jab.

As far as our game is concerned, then we should press for as many to be let in as soon as we can. Given that 1) many of our season ticket holders will be vaccinated by, say, May and 2) our stadium is pretty much perfect for getting to and from safely, and for social distancing at the game, then I see no reason why we can’t have 10k crowds by May. Given that this Government is very likely to emphasise opening up as soon as possible, rather than waiting until all risk has been eliminated, I am certain we will be fine. I also think that we can be so very proud of our vaccine and treatment scientists - the UK’s scientists will save millions of lives around the world over the next couple of years.