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moto748 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:41 pm We have the play-off system that we have. You may not like it, but everyone goes into the season knowing the rules. I think it's a bit rich to bleat about Leeds getting to the GF from fifth, but you can't pick and choose the results; under the system we have, Leeds have (rightly) had a tougher route to OT than, say, Wigan. But they've done it, so fair play to them. Yes, we could go to a different system, like top three only, with the champs going straight to the GF as suggested, for example. I wouldn't be opposed to that, but every system has advantages and drawbacks. The smaller you make the pool of possible winners, the more 'dead' games you will see in the regular season, with teams in fifth and sixth having nothing to play for. That's not ideal either.

And of course, the arguments that

a) Only a handful of teams have won it in SL history, and

b) It's a joke that a team could win from fifth or sixth

are, of course, pulling in opposite directions. One works against the other!

In the NRL you can win it (in theory) from eighth, and nobody complains that that's daft.

moto748 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:03 pm Dead rubbers can never be eliminated, but they can be reduced. They will happen under any regime of rules to some extent. There have been a small number of such games this season., If we went to a top three, there would be even more. And I'm not even saying, that's a gotcha. I wouldn't be unhappy pesonally with a top three. Just saying, all systems have the pros and cons. In fact, the desire to give as many teams as possible a chance to have a say is why they have a top 8 in Oz (admittedly, in a slightly bigger, 16 team comp). And few complain about that.

Wigan_forever1985 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:22 am

moto748 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:03 pm Dead rubbers can never be eliminated, but they can be reduced. They will happen under any regime of rules to some extent. There have been a small number of such games this season., If we went to a top three, there would be even more. And I'm not even saying, that's a gotcha. I wouldn't be unhappy pesonally with a top three. Just saying, all systems have the pros and cons. In fact, the desire to give as many teams as possible a chance to have a say is why they have a top 8 in Oz (admittedly, in a slightly bigger, 16 team comp). And few complain about that.

I don’t think the two comps are comparable there’s been 10 different winners of the title over there in the same time here we’ve had 3 - the coop is obviously a better standard throughout

My view is the league being the prize is the only way to correctly award - I don’t buy this giving 6 teams a chance to win is any more exciting - clearly it’s not working anyway as same 3 teams are consistently winning

Wigan_forever1985 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:22 am

moto748 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:03 pm Dead rubbers can never be eliminated, but they can be reduced. They will happen under any regime of rules to some extent. There have been a small number of such games this season., If we went to a top three, there would be even more. And I'm not even saying, that's a gotcha. I wouldn't be unhappy pesonally with a top three. Just saying, all systems have the pros and cons. In fact, the desire to give as many teams as possible a chance to have a say is why they have a top 8 in Oz (admittedly, in a slightly bigger, 16 team comp). And few complain about that.

I don’t think the two comps are comparable there’s been 10 different winners of the title over there in the same time here we’ve had 3 - the coop is obviously a better standard throughout

My view is the league being the prize is the only way to correctly award - I don’t buy this giving 6 teams a chance to win is any more exciting - clearly it’s not working anyway as same 3 teams are consistently winning

Dan2266 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:44 pm Rumours that Knowles has a 2 game ban, Welsby & Makinson free to play.

Theres also a rumour Bentley has a ban but not sure how much substance there is to that.

fozzieskem wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:33 pm Bentley fine it seems

Knowles 2 games..

Bateman referred to tribunal