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Interesting quote from Tomkins
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:26 am
by Wigan_forever1985
Was listening to a snippet of Sam Tomkins on a podcast thing it was the high performance podcast when he was talking about Wane when coached the academy - he said when would say to them "i dont want good players, i want good people"
Now obviously he didn't mean it verbatim and Tomkins was using it to describe how Wane would instill them with qualities like cleaning up after yourself, thanking the groundsmen etc, but he then went on to say if you didnt do that you were dropped or out
I think when we talk about players of good nature winning out over talent at Wigan offers an insight into what they are trying to do with the dressing room
Re: Interesting quote from Tomkins
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:46 am
by medlocke
It would explain why Sam Powell will never leave
Re: Interesting quote from Tomkins
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:58 am
by Dreamteam
medlocke wrote: βThu Nov 10, 2022 9:46 am
It would explain why Sam Powell will never leave
Itβs funny how when u read that quote you instantly think of Sam Powell
. Oneil is gonna be at Leigh or something next year ainβt he
Re: Interesting quote from Tomkins
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 10:27 am
by fozzieskem
Wigan_forever1985 wrote: βThu Nov 10, 2022 8:26 am
Was listening to a snippet of Sam Tomkins on a podcast thing it was the high performance podcast when he was talking about Wane when coached the academy - he said when would say to them "i dont want good players, i want good people"
Now obviously he didn't mean it verbatim and Tomkins was using it to describe how Wane would instill them with qualities like cleaning up after yourself, thanking the groundsmen etc, but he then went on to say if you didnt do that you were dropped or out
I think when we talk about players of good nature winning out over talent at Wigan offers an insight into what they are trying to do with the dressing room
I've seen that written before about Wane and wigan it's a good ethos to have
Re: Interesting quote from Tomkins
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 10:50 am
by Wigan_forever1985
fozzieskem wrote: βThu Nov 10, 2022 10:27 am
Wigan_forever1985 wrote: βThu Nov 10, 2022 8:26 am
Was listening to a snippet of Sam Tomkins on a podcast thing it was the high performance podcast when he was talking about Wane when coached the academy - he said when would say to them "i dont want good players, i want good people"
Now obviously he didn't mean it verbatim and Tomkins was using it to describe how Wane would instill them with qualities like cleaning up after yourself, thanking the groundsmen etc, but he then went on to say if you didnt do that you were dropped or out
I think when we talk about players of good nature winning out over talent at Wigan offers an insight into what they are trying to do with the dressing room
I've seen that written before about Wane and wigan it's a good ethos to have
Agreed and if you read Radlinkski's book he is deffo on the same page and personally labels himself as a hard worker over talent
however i think that in sport you always have to be mindful of talent vs worker
Re: Interesting quote from Tomkins
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 11:14 am
by Caboosegg
Wigan_forever1985 wrote: βThu Nov 10, 2022 10:50 am
fozzieskem wrote: βThu Nov 10, 2022 10:27 am
Wigan_forever1985 wrote: βThu Nov 10, 2022 8:26 am
Was listening to a snippet of Sam Tomkins on a podcast thing it was the high performance podcast when he was talking about Wane when coached the academy - he said when would say to them "i dont want good players, i want good people"
Now obviously he didn't mean it verbatim and Tomkins was using it to describe how Wane would instill them with qualities like cleaning up after yourself, thanking the groundsmen etc, but he then went on to say if you didnt do that you were dropped or out
I think when we talk about players of good nature winning out over talent at Wigan offers an insight into what they are trying to do with the dressing room
I've seen that written before about Wane and wigan it's a good ethos to have
Agreed and if you read Radlinkski's book he is deffo on the same page and personally labels himself as a hard worker over talent
however i think that in sport you always have to be mindful of talent vs worker
It's interesting that people take what they want out of statements
would you want the most talented player in the world if they unsettled the squad as a whole? Look at Hastongs Time at wigan. He's a talent but the effect on the team overall?
Another look would be Wire throw money at Talent no caring about background or history and what has it got them?
Re: Interesting quote from Tomkins
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 11:24 am
by medlocke
Dreamteam wrote: βThu Nov 10, 2022 9:58 am
medlocke wrote: βThu Nov 10, 2022 9:46 am
It would explain why Sam Powell will never leave
Itβs funny how when u read that quote you instantly think of Sam Powell
. Oneil is gonna be at Leigh or something next year ainβt he
Probably, but it's ok because Sam Powell always picks up his dirty kegs n socks after each game
Re: Interesting quote from Tomkins
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 11:37 am
by Dreamteam
medlocke wrote: βThu Nov 10, 2022 11:24 am
Dreamteam wrote: βThu Nov 10, 2022 9:58 am
medlocke wrote: βThu Nov 10, 2022 9:46 am
It would explain why Sam Powell will never leave
Itβs funny how when u read that quote you instantly think of Sam Powell
. Oneil is gonna be at Leigh or something next year ainβt he
Probably, but it's ok because Sam Powell always picks up his dirty kegs n socks after each game
Heβs always chipping in Sam. Does the stuff that goes unnoticed no doubt about it
Re: Interesting quote from Tomkins
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:15 pm
by Wigan_forever1985
Caboosegg wrote: βThu Nov 10, 2022 11:14 am
Wigan_forever1985 wrote: βThu Nov 10, 2022 10:50 am
fozzieskem wrote: βThu Nov 10, 2022 10:27 am
I've seen that written before about Wane and wigan it's a good ethos to have
Agreed and if you read Radlinkski's book he is deffo on the same page and personally labels himself as a hard worker over talent
however i think that in sport you always have to be mindful of talent vs worker
It's interesting that people take what they want out of statements
would you want the most talented player in the world if they unsettled the squad as a whole? Look at Hastongs Time at wigan. He's a talent but the effect on the team overall?
Another look would be Wire throw money at Talent no caring about background or history and what has it got them?
I think its about striking that balance isnt it. You have to keep within the lines, i mean you look at hasting and yes disruptive - do we make it to the Grand final without him that year - probably not.
You have to define a player that's disruptive from challenging. All the top top sportsmen and women are challenging they will demand a level from their teammates and environment and sometimes that can upset people - personally i dont have a probably with that. On the other hand someone who is needlessly disruptive no matter how talented shouldn't be in there
on the flipside
you need your calming influences in the dressing room but you dont want it when nice guys get in simply for being nice and it becomes too "friendly". A squad should be teammates and willing to fight for eachother but there should be a respect around that you have to earn that place week in week out. Too friendly dressing rooms become those "automatic pick" situations in which teams soon slip away from the sharp end.
I think the master of this in any sport has probably been Pep - he always has a team full of stars but they never seem to stray into disruption.
Re: Interesting quote from Tomkins
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:53 pm
by the pieman
I think the master of this in any sport has probably been Pep - he always has a team full of stars but they never seem to stray into disruption.
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i think its a little easier when you are on over 100k per week and sat on the bench though, it softens the blow of not playing somewhat. Had a quick look at some of the salaries and based on what i can see on google 14 players at City on over 100k per week (16 at Utd for same figure)
what i would say is that Pep is probably getting better value per player based on salary than they are at Utd as Utd's wage bill is eye watering