Consistency of officiating

[Charriots Offiah]

Justing watching the NRL and the difference in referrering is staggering. Dolphins just scored a try and the prop running in lead with elbow and knocked defender out the way to pass to score. Point is it was 100 times more than Duprees incident and not a thing said from the commentators or players and try stood.

Mate, what Dupree did yesterday happens dozens of times in a match. All the forwards lead with the forearm. Tyler caught him plumb on the chest and scattered him. The rule needs changing if the referees are going to officiate in that way. As for Byrne whilst I don’t think that there was anything malicious, that type of tackle is no longer acceptable in the game.

[Mike]

The game is definitely changing and not for the better.
Games hinge on decisions to send players off, for what are accidental tackles that hit the head of the opposition player, who as Percival, go into the tackle lower than normal.
This will always happen, even if they do bring in the tackle to be below the armpit, because Byrne's arms were in fact below the armpit of Percival.
Stains only lost to Salford because of a very dubious decision to send Percival off in that game.
Too many games will be decided because of ridiculous decisions.
Common sense must prevail, as I can't remember many really bad, deliberate high tackles, like games from the 80's, 90's etc.

Although harsh, Byrne was fully upright when he went into the tackle and didn't attempt to lower the impact. That's a technique thing that they are trying to change. If he had bent his back and the attacker been even lower then thats the mitigation that turns this from red to yellow, and sometimes yellow to nothing. Apparently the players know this about how they can reduce the likelihood of head impacts and should be looking to work on their technique.

BTW there's nothing wrong with a shoulder into the ribs tackle, we saw a number of those yesterday and they are brutal!

[Mike]

Justing watching the NRL and the difference in referrering is staggering. Dolphins just scored a try and the prop running in lead with elbow and knocked defender out the way to pass to score. Point is it was 100 times more than Duprees incident and not a thing said from the commentators or players and try stood.

Mate, what Dupree did yesterday happens dozens of times in a match. All the forwards lead with the forearm. Tyler caught him plumb on the chest and scattered him. The rule needs changing if the referees are going to officiate in that way. As for Byrne whilst I don’t think that there was anything malicious, that type of tackle is no longer acceptable in the game.

Dupre didn't even make contact with the guys head during the collision. There's was incidental contact in the wrestle. It was a very poor video review IMO. They weren't looking at what actually happened, they just saw a players head go back and made a call on that.

[Mike]

The game is definitely changing and not for the better.
Games hinge on decisions to send players off, for what are accidental tackles that hit the head of the opposition player, who as Percival, go into the tackle lower than normal.
This will always happen, even if they do bring in the tackle to be below the armpit, because Byrne's arms were in fact below the armpit of Percival.
Stains only lost to Salford because of a very dubious decision to send Percival off in that game.
Too many games will be decided because of ridiculous decisions.
Common sense must prevail, as I can't remember many really bad, deliberate high tackles, like games from the 80's, 90's etc.

I think this is a valid point. As you move to a ruleset that requires more subjective decisions then the likelihood of these influencing the result increases.

Classic case are scrums in RU. Even the "experts" disagree on what is/isn't a penalty. England's progress in the World Cup was effectively decided by a ref's interpretation of the rules.

Surely we don't want that in our game?

All the rules are subjective aren't they? Even something as simple as a forward pass or holding down is seen different by different people. You're never going to change that!

Overall I like rules with clear criteria that we all know about. What is a high tackle, what is yellow, what is red etc. That way we can all say with great precision why the ref for it terribly wrong.

[Charriots Offiah]

Justing watching the NRL and the difference in referrering is staggering. Dolphins just scored a try and the prop running in lead with elbow and knocked defender out the way to pass to score. Point is it was 100 times more than Duprees incident and not a thing said from the commentators or players and try stood.

Mate, what Dupree did yesterday happens dozens of times in a match. All the forwards lead with the forearm. Tyler caught him plumb on the chest and scattered him. The rule needs changing if the referees are going to officiate in that way. As for Byrne whilst I don’t think that there was anything malicious, that type of tackle is no longer acceptable in the game.

Dupre didn't even make contact with the guys head during the collision. There's was incidental contact in the wrestle. It was a very poor video review IMO. They weren't looking at what actually happened, they just saw a players head go back and made a call on that.

I fully agree.

[Flash]

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Can anyone explain why Lees going into the tackle upright and with no attempt to wrap the arms is ok but Byrne doing it isn't?

[medlocke]

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Can anyone explain why Lees going into the tackle upright and with no attempt to wrap the arms is ok but Byrne doing it isn't?

He plays for Saints?

[widdenoldboy]

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Can anyone explain why Lees going into the tackle upright and with no attempt to wrap the arms is ok but Byrne doing it isn't?

Yeh, at least Byrne was trying to wrap his arms around the player. Lees made no attempt at all on Thompson. IIRC a similar incident happened in the Leeds v Cas game the night before and a pen was given after review.

[Flash]

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Can anyone explain why Lees going into the tackle upright and with no attempt to wrap the arms is ok but Byrne doing it isn't?

He plays for Saints?

You may be on to something there Meds!

[eaststandspy]

The ref is going to effect the result of a game more so now than ever before.

Saint Christopher seemingly sees things differently on how The Saints apply the rules and how we The 12 Apostles apply the rules. Example, the Makinson try was scored in a set of six which began about 30 yards from the saints line, when Whitley placed the ball on the floor stepped over it with no attempt to play it with his foot and just walked forward towards the Wigan marker. Penalty Wigan, or maybe not.

Losing is not an issue, you can't win them all. A fair result yesterday would have been 0-0 because defences dominated, both attacks were blunt particularly from Wigan. But it did seem that Wigan yet again with this ref came out second best, we can't all be wrong about him. Can we?

I think Byrne was unlucky to be sent off, because Persival did fall into him which for me resulted in an un fortunate unintentional contact with the head. We are never going to get a true result to a game when one team has a numerical advantage which has been the case so often this season.

We know the logic behind the whole contact with the head situation, but it is spoiling the game.