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It does not say that in the rules either! So where has that come from?robjoenz posted:I remember it happening on Saturday night, Geoff.GeoffN posted:
Watch the clip I'm talking about, Rob. Klein is running back from about the 10m line, he checks WHILE HE'S RUNNING that all the Wigan players are onside, checks for offsides on the Bradford line, and blows for the restart, still on the run, as he passes the 20. That, IMO, is good refereeing (and I'm certainly not a Klein fan!).
The point being, it shows there's nothing in the rules to say he has to be on the 30. Nothing to do with his extra pace, as Dave has said, simply his willingness (in this instance) to keep the game moving, and to not favour the defence.
There is nothing in the rules that states the referee has to be on the 30 m line, the key point everyone is missing is that the referee must feel he is in control of the restart.
It does not make any sense at all and the only sensible way to control the 20m restart is once the player with the ball is in the correct position and his team are on-side the ref should blow the whistle.damien morrissey posted:Rob dont you see this as a major problem. The rules are meant to be black and white clear for everyone if the ref applies the rules on how he feels doesnt he open himself up to questions.robjoenz posted:I remember it happening on Saturday night, Geoff.GeoffN posted:
Watch the clip I'm talking about, Rob. Klein is running back from about the 10m line, he checks WHILE HE'S RUNNING that all the Wigan players are onside, checks for offsides on the Bradford line, and blows for the restart, still on the run, as he passes the 20. That, IMO, is good refereeing (and I'm certainly not a Klein fan!).
The point being, it shows there's nothing in the rules to say he has to be on the 30. Nothing to do with his extra pace, as Dave has said, simply his willingness (in this instance) to keep the game moving, and to not favour the defence.
There is nothing in the rules that states the referee has to be on the 30 m line, the key point everyone is missing is that the referee must feel he is in control of the restart.
What i read from your statement is that if the ref can do what the hell he likes and can answer it with i didnt feel like i was in control.How can the players coaches and fans understand that? Whats the point in having a rulebook if one rule can lead to 2 variables one which offers the attack the advantage and one that doesnt.
DaveO posted:Totally agree, a couple of years ago Calderwood was running rampage for Leeds from quick 20m taps. Were the refs not in control of the game then? Surely making the game more attacking and exciting is good for both sets of speccies and the media, and that's what it should be about...selling our game.robjoenz posted:Revert to the way it was interpreted previously. It is only recently that certain refs are insisting on getting back to the 30m line, presumably due to their interpretations of directives form the RFL.Yes, there is some inconsistency here, but how would you suggest getting around it?
Dave
Stev0 posted:Why not do away with referees altogether, it'd be much more exciting with all the fighting that would ensue of petty arguments. The referee needs to control the game in the best way he can.DaveO posted:Totally agree, a couple of years ago Calderwood was running rampage for Leeds from quick 20m taps. Were the refs not in control of the game then? Surely making the game more attacking and exciting is good for both sets of speccies and the media, and that's what it should be about...selling our game.robjoenz posted: Revert to the way it was interpreted previously. It is only recently that certain refs are insisting on getting back to the 30m line, presumably due to their interpretations of directives form the RFL.
Dave
robjoenz posted:Given people have put forward well reasoned arguments why one specific aspect of the game, the quick tap, should revert to the way it used to be - which worked for years what sort of comment is that?Stev0 posted:Why not do away with referees altogether, it'd be much more exciting with all the fighting that would ensue of petty arguments. The referee needs to control the game in the best way he can.DaveO posted: Totally agree, a couple of years ago Calderwood was running rampage for Leeds from quick 20m taps. Were the refs not in control of the game then? Surely making the game more attacking and exciting is good for both sets of speccies and the media, and that's what it should be about...selling our game.
It certainly does not refute any of the arguments put forward and this idea of the ref being out of control if he blows before getting back to the 30m line is baloney.
Dave
DaveO posted:Surely some onus should be placed on the defending team to ensure they get their players back on side. If they dont, let the attacking side have the advantage by taking the quick tap. The way it is now makes it easy for a team to slow down the game by making the opposition wait until they are on side, then the ref blkows his whistle.robjoenz posted:Given people have put forward well reasoned arguments why one specific aspect of the game, the quick tap, should revert to the way it used to be - which worked for years what sort of comment is that?Stev0 posted: Why not do away with referees altogether, it'd be much more exciting with all the fighting that would ensue of petty arguments. The referee needs to control the game in the best way he can.
It certainly does not refute any of the arguments put forward and this idea of the ref being out of control if he blows before getting back to the 30m line is baloney.
Dave
I don't know the precise reason behind it but I suspect it has come from getting the referees to have a tighter control on the game. It's not baloney (that's a type of sausage isn't it?) it's about refereeing the game in a manner that ensures you keep control of every aspect of it.DaveO posted:
Given people have put forward well reasoned arguments why one specific aspect of the game, the quick tap, should revert to the way it used to be - which worked for years what sort of comment is that?
It certainly does not refute any of the arguments put forward and this idea of the ref being out of control if he blows before getting back to the 30m line is baloney.
SECTION 16DaveO posted:It does not say that in the rules either! So where has that come from?robjoenz posted:
There is nothing in the rules that states the referee has to be on the 30 m line, the key point everyone is missing is that the referee must feel he is in control of the restart.