I think the point is that we don't want to see them every week. Whilst it didn't look intentional those type of tackles can hurt someone, it just takes a bit more care from the tackler to ensure the tacklee's body doesn't go past the horizontal.mike binder posted:
there was to many men in the tackle to pull 1 out was a little dangarous but nothing you dont see every week
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Oh, I understand why they're trying it. I just said I was a little uneasy about how it might work in practice. If you have to stop the tackle and you can get enough men there, you could in theory end up with one big rolling maul. We'll just have to see how it works out, won't we?robjoenz posted:Come on Nine; this was one of the main rules that people hated last season. There was always some confusion as to when a player had lent weight (when momentum 'changed.') whereas now the tackle is complete when momentum 'stops' (i.e. he stops still) or when his tackling arm hits the ground.Nine posted:
...I'm a little uneasy about this new interpretation of the "tackling into touch" ruling, if I can call it that. If just lending weight to help your man being tackled is not enough and you have to stop momentum, there's a worry those situations could end up a bit like a yawnion rolling maul, which would be a worry....
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Thinking along those lines though, Nine, it could promote the surrender tackle with player more willing to go to ground to make the tackle complete rather than risk being pushed into touch. Surrendering will give the tackler more time to get up thus slowing down the play-the-ball in a similar to style to that seen in NRL. What do you reckon?Nine posted:
Oh, I understand why they're trying it. I just said I was a little uneasy about how it might work in practice. If you have to stop the tackle and you can get enough men there, you could in theory end up with one big rolling maul. We'll just have to see how it works out, won't we?
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Well, I'd prefer that to a rolling maul! There is rarely a perfect solution: you can have people dragged into touch and fans argue about whether momentum was stopped or not; you can have more surrender tackles to avoid that and fans argue that it was really a voluntary tackle and should be penalised.robjoenz posted:
Thinking along those lines though, Nine, it could promote the surrender tackle with player more willing to go to ground to make the tackle complete rather than risk being pushed into touch. Surrendering will give the tackler more time to get up thus slowing down the play-the-ball in a similar to style to that seen in NRL. What do you reckon?
So it's worth trying, to see if this makes things clearer for the refs and the players. Us fans will mostly watch it with one eye again, so - on the grounds that our side is always right and the opposition is always in the wrong, and no rule change will ever alter that - there's no need to worry too much about whether us fans will understand it properly or not!
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Last year we won both freindlys but looked at what happened in the league... It could be the other way round i say heads UP!
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[quote]Nine posted:
Well, I'd prefer that to a rolling maul! There is rarely a perfect solution: you can have people dragged into touch and fans argue about whether momentum was stopped or not; you can have more surrender tackles to avoid that and fans argue that it was really a voluntary tackle and should be penalised.[\quote]
You're right, there is rarely a perfect answer, the one thing that hasn't changed is that it's still down to the referee's interpretation of when the tackle has been completed. I think it's made it easier for referees to call though, there is now more of a definate end point to the tackle.
As you also correctly said though (you're on a roll), fans will always find fault when it goes against their team.
Well, I'd prefer that to a rolling maul! There is rarely a perfect solution: you can have people dragged into touch and fans argue about whether momentum was stopped or not; you can have more surrender tackles to avoid that and fans argue that it was really a voluntary tackle and should be penalised.[\quote]
You're right, there is rarely a perfect answer, the one thing that hasn't changed is that it's still down to the referee's interpretation of when the tackle has been completed. I think it's made it easier for referees to call though, there is now more of a definate end point to the tackle.
As you also correctly said though (you're on a roll), fans will always find fault when it goes against their team.
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If you watch old matches then IMO the POTB is now far better today than it has ever been. A combination of more observant refereeing and the players responding to that with greater discipline has led to significant improvements. I think referees just need to call a held a tad later sometimes and let the actual tackle be completed or the offload occur.
I actually think referees today have it easier than those in the past. The game is far cleaner owing to the fear of being caught either in the match or post match with cameras / videos etc.
I actually think referees today have it easier than those in the past. The game is far cleaner owing to the fear of being caught either in the match or post match with cameras / videos etc.