Klein is Bent

[cpwigan]

Rob referees are human. They are influenced by what is going on around them. To give you an example referees often react to fouls according to the state of the player who has been fouled. Referees are also influenced by whom commited the foul and/or the injured player. It has been evident this season in the NRL and is widely acknowledged.

[cpwigan]

Heard a nice story about Barry Gommersall the legendary state of origin referee who sadly died this year. He awarded a penalty to NSW and Wally Lewis ran to him and screamed you have got to be kidding Barry. To which Barry replied, be fair Wally, we have had the last the 5 penalties.

[robjoenz]

cpwigan posted:
Rob referees are human. They are influenced by what is going on around them. To give you an example referees often react to fouls according to the state of the player who has been fouled. Referees are also influenced by whom commited the foul and/or the injured player. It has been evident this season in the NRL and is widely acknowledged.

I can only go off personal experience. What I speak to Linzi at half-time when she comes watching me she says "did you hear what they were shouting at you?" meaning the speccies, I'm oblivious to it. I suppose it would be harder though in a stadium the size of the JJB.

When it comes to awarding penalties though, as soon as I blow, my decision is made, if it's a flop to prevent a try I know exactly what I'm going to do before I speak to the player. Of course, if I speak to the player first before showing the card then the speccies think it's because one of his opponents shouting 'give him ten' to me.

If I think like this and have much less experience than Klein then I am assuming he must think along similar lines. You need that confidence in immediate decision making to referee at that level.




With regard to Saints first try. Linzi just found it on the DVD. The ball definately travels forward but were Gilmour's hands facing forwards? Klein certainly couldn't tell for certain from where he was (on the opposite side to the pass) and the TJ wasn't in line, so that's why he didn't call it.

[cpwigan]

Huge controversy in Aus following the Andrew Johns injury and sending off of SBW. Since that incident there have been several identical ones or worse with different outcomes.

What did you think of the penalty awarded to Wellens. He lost it for me BUT Klein will argue there was interference which to my mind is clutching at straws.

Do not know why or how BUT Klein somehow seems to stop games flowing nicely. He looks calm beforehand BUT somewhat harassed during matches.

You look a bit like him too

[OAMJSONA]

surely there is not 2 clowns ( Rob is Klein , Klein is Rob)

i must comit sucide one clown is enough

[DaveO]

robjoenz posted:
I didn't have a problem with his performance.

You wouldn't. And It is of not surprise what so ever. Part of the referees union already. He mafde some glaring errors and if you have no problem with them then you have low standards.

The game was a battle of skill, class, discipline and composure, we got hammered on every front and when you lack in the latter two the fans will always get on the back of the referee.

No one. No one at all is blaming the ref for the loss. Just pointing out he made some terrible decisions.

Withers knew exactly what he was doing when he got sin-binned. He most probably saved a try, so it was probably worth it, we were in the race then. I didn't see Saints do anything that really warranted sin-binning. Withers' was a clear cut, 'no-other-option' sin-binning.

Why, what was he sin binned for?

It's just hard to see past the hatred for Saints and the disappointment of having your team being made to look like under 15s.

It quite clearly hard for you to be objective about referees as well.

Dave

[jammie]

so robjoenz did you see any mistakes that klein made on friday?saints were last season awarded more pens than any other team in SL.they are the best team in SL(god i hate to admit that)but with the amount of ball they get they should be.why does fozzard never get penilised for leading with his forearm?i seem to remember someone getting a ban for doing it.

[robjoenz]

jammie posted:
so robjoenz did you see any mistakes that klein made on friday?saints were last season awarded more pens than any other team in SL.they are the best team in SL(god i hate to admit that)but with the amount of ball they get they should be.why does fozzard never get penilised for leading with his forearm?i seem to remember someone getting a ban for doing it.

Of course there were mistakes, but far less than Wigan made!

He missed a knock-on from Saints (I think it was Meli), just before Hock went mental with him.

With regard to the Wellens knock-on? At first I thought Klein got it wrong, but from the other angle it appeared that Calderwood's knee made contact with the ball.

There were a couple of times (not as many as people are making out) where Fozzard seemed to lead with the forearm. He didn't contact anyone with it but I would have liked to see it penalised.

I thought Brian Fletcher should have been sin-binned for repeat high tackles. It was clear one of our game plans was to take Fozzards head off and wind him up. Fozzard deserves a lot of credit in my opinion though, he kept his cool whilst several of our players lost the plot.

There were two incidents, one for each side, where I thought Klein could have sin-binned players. In the run-up to Talau's try, Calderwood lay on the players and when we were attacking the North-West corner Pryce knocked the ball out of the carrier's hands after the tackle. Both could have been yellow cards but I suspect because the defence was organised the penalty was given (in the Pryce incident).

[robjoenz]

DaveO posted:
You wouldn't, and it is of not surprise whatsoever. Part of the referees union already. He made some glaring errors and if you have no problem with them then you have low standards.

...no one at all is blaming the ref. for the loss. Just pointing out he made some terrible decisions.

Why, what was he sin binned for?

What were these 'glaring' errors then? Other than those that I have mentioned in my above post? I know you want a referee to be super human and spot everything but, unfortunately, he's just a man, like all off the players.

Wither's sin-binning was for delaying a Saint's attack whilst our defence was all over the place. A professional foul.

[robjoenz]

cpwigan posted:
You look a bit like him too

OAM posted:
surely there is not 2 clowns ( Rob is Klein , Klein is Rob)

i must comit sucide one clown is enough

As I am sure you have guessed, that is Ashley Klein. As Linzi left the ground after the game she saw Ashley and Gerry Kershaw walking to the car. So she walked faster to catch up with them and asked whether she could have her photo taken with Ashley. Now, before you think that I made her do this, I was on my way home at this point!

It is a nice photo though isn't it!