todays paper quotes

[mike binder]

the observer are that worried they have printed what the league tables would look like ,when we have pts took off show the leagues from 2 pts of to 12 pts of ,funny thing was bradford and sts stayed on the same pts all the way through arent they in the dock as well ,how do we know there past asnt caught up on them ie overseas accounts and national insurance contributions

[jammie]

in the eyes of the rl world & media we have already been tryed found guilty and sentance passed,talk about putting pressure on the independant panal.i can here it now if we get found not guilty,or get a smack on the wrist, everyone will be saying wigan have fixed it,the rest of british rl can go to hell and take there opinions with them.they forget which club gave this sport it's high profile in the 80's and early 90's.

[DaveO]

adrenalinxx posted:
Also the RFL can not apply 2007 rules to the salary cap breach in 2006 because there is no way that Wigan could predict the rule change.

If the RFL use the 2007 rules then Wigan will take them to court and simple argue that the rules can not be applied retrospectively.

It's in the salary cap rules that the penalties applied will be those in force at the time they are applied not the penalties that were in force at the time the breach occurred. It is quite clear. So that means the ones in force now including up to a 12 points will be applied for any breach of the cap in 2006.

The fact Wigan want the 2006 rules applied says to me we are guilty and expect a big deduction but they are wasting their time trying to get the 2006 penalties applied given what the rules state.

IN fact it seems down right unprofessional and clutching at straws to even try.

Dave

[GeoffN]

DaveO posted:

It's in the salary cap rules that the penalties applied will be those in force at the time they are applied not the penalties that were in force at the time the breach occurred. It is quite clear. So that means the ones in force now including up to a 12 points will be applied for any breach of the cap in 2006.

The fact Wigan want the 2006 rules applied says to me we are guilty and expect a big deduction but they are wasting their time trying to get the 2006 penalties applied given what the rules state.

IN fact it seems down right unprofessional and clutching at straws to even try.

Dave

That worries me, too.

Having said that, the increase was retrospective, as it was brought in towards the end of last season. I wonder if that was actually agreed by the clubs when they voted for it, or if it was applied unilaterally by the RFL.

Yep, I'm clutching at straws, too!

[adrenalinxx]

DaveO posted:
It's in the salary cap rules that the penalties applied will be those in force at the time they are applied not the penalties that were in force at the time the breach occurred. It is quite clear. So that means the ones in force now including up to a 12 points will be applied for any breach of the cap in 2006.

The fact Wigan want the 2006 rules applied says to me we are guilty and expect a big deduction but they are wasting their time trying to get the 2006 penalties applied given what the rules state.

IN fact it seems down right unprofessional and clutching at straws to even try.

Dave

I'm am very suprised that the RFL were allowed to do that in the first place as making any rule that can have a retrospective effect is beyond the power that the RFL or any governing body or person should have.

Wigan would have a good case to challenge the RFL if they wanted to because even if in the 2006 rules it says that the points deduction will be based on 2007 rules those 2007 rules did not excist at the time and can not be enforce until the day that they are printed.

[Bear]

ancientnloyal posted:
I say we have a vote... the winner (somebody off this board) is appointed as head financier at the JJB for the 2008 season

would be mad

I would vote for... Bear

Kind of You AnaL Ok im getting dirty .... i would spend the money wisely and turn Wigan around completely.... We would be great

[GeoffN]

DaveO posted:

adrenalinxx posted:
Also the RFL can not apply 2007 rules to the salary cap breach in 2006 because there is no way that Wigan could predict the rule change.

If the RFL use the 2007 rules then Wigan will take them to court and simple argue that the rules can not be applied retrospectively.

It's in the salary cap rules that the penalties applied will be those in force at the time they are applied not the penalties that were in force at the time the breach occurred. It is quite clear. So that means the ones in force now including up to a 12 points will be applied for any breach of the cap in 2006.

The fact Wigan want the 2006 rules applied says to me we are guilty and expect a big deduction but they are wasting their time trying to get the 2006 penalties applied given what the rules state.

IN fact it seems down right unprofessional and clutching at straws to even try.

Dave

Saints are apparently joining us to argue the case:

http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... tlead.html

It is thought Wigan and St Helens will argue any punishment should be in line with those from last season, a view likely to be contradicted by the League.