Lyndsey steps down as chairman

[jinkin jimmy]

Cruncher

I disagree with you re the brand thing. Minnows thay may be but I would be amazed if Latics generated less than us in terms of sponsorship, endoresments, etc.

Excuse the pun but it is a whole different ball game. Whelan has given them £20m to spend this season!

[- psycho -]

pie eaters posted:
Wigan warriors is a more of a famous club than the football, and is worth more in merchandise and fans so i dont know how you get that the football is more valuable

because they gross in 20,000 a week and sell more in shirt sales and merchendise :doz:

[jinkin jimmy]

pie eaters posted:
Wigan warriors is a more of a famous club than the football, and is worth more in merchandise and fans so i dont know how you get that the football is more valuable

Please don't become an accountant when you grow up.

[Doveoverdave]

pie eaters posted:
Wigan warriors is a more of a famous club than the football, and is worth more in merchandise and fans so i dont know how you get that the football is more valuable

Their last game against Sheff utd was said to be worth £50 MILLION. Their players earn more in a month than ours do in a year and Latics are the paupers of the league.

Fans and merchandise is the icing on the cake in comparison to the £2.3 BILLION Sky deal. Their monies are on a constant upwards spiral and ours is in a constant downward spiral.

£1.7 for a squad of 20 - I bet Lamps is peeing himself laughing along with all the pro RU clubs. We are sliding further and further from the sporting pysche.

[jinkin jimmy]

Doveoverdave posted:

pie eaters posted:
Wigan warriors is a more of a famous club than the football, and is worth more in merchandise and fans so i dont know how you get that the football is more valuable

Their last game against Sheff utd was said to be worth £50 MILLION. Their players earn more in a month than ours do in a year and Latics are the paupers of the league.

Fans and merchandise is the icing on the cake in comparison to the £2.3 BILLION Sky deal. Their monies are on a constant upwards spiral and ours is in a constant downward spiral.

£1.7 for a squad of 20 - I bet Lamps is peeing himself laughing along with all the pro RU clubs. We are sliding further and further from the sporting pysche.

But this is the greatest season ever, the playing field is now level, HKR could win the GF.....

hold on....

Where are my tablets?

[Cruncher]

Doveoverdave posted:

pie eaters posted:
Wigan warriors is a more of a famous club than the football, and is worth more in merchandise and fans so i dont know how you get that the football is more valuable

Their last game against Sheff utd was said to be worth £50 MILLION. Their players earn more in a month than ours do in a year and Latics are the paupers of the league.

Fans and merchandise is the icing on the cake in comparison to the £2.3 BILLION Sky deal. Their monies are on a constant upwards spiral and ours is in a constant downward spiral.

£1.7 for a squad of 20 - I bet Lamps is peeing himself laughing along with all the pro RU clubs. We are sliding further and further from the sporting pysche.

This is very true, and at times you want to despair.

For all I've said about modern football being driven by greed, there are equal nasties at the other end of the spectrum - and that's where RL currently lives.

Many people in our sport - consciously or unconsciously - seem determined to keep RL the poor man's game. And vast numbers of others, purely for parochial reasons, are in complete denial about this.

And it's already having a marked effect. When RL and RU both sold their souls to Sky, club RL was by far the stronger of the two. Many of the top RU clubs played at stadia that were little more than recreation grounds, in front of one man and his dog. Now look at them. They've slimmed down and got rid of the dead wood, and whether we like it or not, their game is booming - bigger crowds, bigger publicity, bigger salaries - and all kinds of legally permissable ways to get around their cap.

Their product is still inferior to ours, yet we've fallen way behind them because we've failed to face the financial realities of 21st century sport. You can't live in a time-capsule, and that's what RL is trying to do. Even the Aussies are learning this. They've been cocky for so long, always boasting they can replace those players who defect, but suddenly they're losing so many - both to us and to ARU - that they're also beginning to question the finanicial restraints they've imposed on themselves.

People in GB point to how exciting the current game is, without acknowledging that our player pool is shrinking drastically or that internationally it's almost dead. The stampede to claim that it's now a more even competition than ever before is belied by the fact that Saints - after already being on top for most of the SC era - are finally starting to dominate in the total and complete way that Wigan used to.

It's self-delusion on an epic scale, and has resulted in support for the salary cap becoming a religion. It's almost a heresy to question it.

As Wayne Bennett famously said: "The miracle of Rugby League is not that it's survived a hundred years, but that it's survived its own administrators."

Personally, I'm not sure it will for too much longer.

[jinkin jimmy]

Cruncher posted:

Doveoverdave posted:

pie eaters posted:
Wigan warriors is a more of a famous club than the football, and is worth more in merchandise and fans so i dont know how you get that the football is more valuable

Their last game against Sheff utd was said to be worth £50 MILLION. Their players earn more in a month than ours do in a year and Latics are the paupers of the league.

Fans and merchandise is the icing on the cake in comparison to the £2.3 BILLION Sky deal. Their monies are on a constant upwards spiral and ours is in a constant downward spiral.

£1.7 for a squad of 20 - I bet Lamps is peeing himself laughing along with all the pro RU clubs. We are sliding further and further from the sporting pysche.

This is very true, and at times you want to despair.

For all I've said about modern football being driven by greed, there are equal nasties at the other end of the spectrum - and that's where RL currently lives.

Many people in our sport - consciously or unconsciously - seem determined to keep RL the poor man's game. And vast numbers of others, purely for parochial reasons, are in complete denial about this.

And it's already having a marked effect. When RL and RU both sold their souls to Sky, club RL was by far the stronger of the two. Many of the top RU clubs played at stadia that were little more than recreation grounds, in front of one man and his dog. Now look at them. They've slimmed down and got rid of the dead wood, and whether we like it or not, their game is booming - bigger crowds, bigger publicity, bigger salaries - and all kinds of legally permissable ways to get around their cap.

Their product is still inferior to ours, yet we've fallen way behind them because we've failed to face the financial realities of 21st century sport. You can't live in a time-capsule, and that's what RL is trying to do. Even the Aussies are learning this. They've been cocky for so long, always boasting they can replace those players who defect, but suddenly they're losing so many - both to us and to ARU - that they're also beginning to question the finanicial restraints they've imposed on themselves.

People in GB point to how exciting the current game is, without acknowledging that our player pool is shrinking drastically or that internationally it's almost dead. The stampede to claim that it's now a more even competition than ever before is belied by the fact that Saints - after already being on top for most of the SC era - are finally starting to dominate in the total and complete way that Wigan used to.

It's self-delusion on an epic scale, and has resulted in support for the salary cap becoming a religion. It's almost a heresy to question it.

As Wayne Bennett famously said: "The miracle of Rugby League is not that it's survived a hundred years, but that it's survived its own administrators."

Personally, I'm not sure it will for too much longer.

Great post Cruncher. :eusa2:

[gpartin]

Well said cruncher. Until teams are encouraged and incentivised to develop youth through changes in the cap, nothing will change. The RFL will continue to bask in their own mediocrity and praise will continue to be heaped on clubs such as Huddersfield.

[mickh]

Just logged on after a few days off the site. There are some cracking posts to be viewed, especially on the last two pages on this thread, and, also on the one where Mr Whelan comments on taking the RL to court. There are some very valid questions to be asked that deserve honest, straight forward answers from the powers that be. The next few days will be very interesting to see if RL in it's present format, survives.

[ancientnloyal]

Doveoverdave posted:

pie eaters posted:
Wigan would be worth alot of money, its the name and the brand and what the name means around the rugby world. Compared to football it wouldnt match it but i wouldnt say Wigan football is worth more than the rugby, they are a very mediocre side so it wouldnt cost much more than the rugby.

Get real!

Every soccer club outside the 4th division (now div 2) is worth more in £'s than WRLFC and probably half of the fourth.

Rubbish, you suggesting Yeovil, Accrington Stanley (well, arguable) or Morecambe is bigger than Wigan Rugby?