Training

[weststand-rich]

Hi Josie,

"Why then is Mr Noble commenting on the CC semi on BBC when he should be at the training ground with our players? That is the job he is paid to do, not commentating that is just a part-time hobby!"

Because he has a contract to do it and Wigan quite like having high profile media attention.

"They should be made to train every bloody day this week with no days off, the stamina of the players is zilch, they should be out of the gym and off the weights and get some bloody running done up and down Haigh Hall or Rivington like past players used to do, they are all overweight and completely unfit."

I've got to disagree here - this is a recipe for disaster. If the players are unfit now then that is either because of a poor pre-season or they are overtraining now. Running them up and down haigh hall all week is a garentee of an overtrained side and at this point of the season the squad should be focusing on recovering from matches and maintaining strength and fitness. The only overweight player I can see is feka - if we could redistribute his spare tyre onto the other front rowers in th form of pure muscle we'd have the best pack in superleague

Rich

[jammie]

when inga joined us he was running up and down the steps up at rivington with weights round his ankles,didn't do the big fella any harm.we were the best and fittest team for years before sl,i think forshaw has alot to answer for in the fitnees area,warrington were the same as us when he was there,that is one of the first things we should be changing the fitness coach.

[josie andrews]

Hi Josie,

"Why then is Mr Noble commenting on the CC semi on BBC when he should be at the training ground with our players? That is the job he is paid to do, not commentating that is just a part-time hobby!"

Because he has a contract to do it and Wigan quite like having high profile media attention.
"
They should be made to train every bloody day this week with no days off, the stamina of the players is zilch, they should be out of the gym and off the weights and get some bloody running done up and down Haigh Hall or Rivington like past players used to do, they are all overweight and completely unfit."

I've got to disagree here - this is a recipe for disaster. If the players are unfit now then that is either because of a poor pre-season or they are overtraining now. Running them up and down haigh hall all week is a garentee of an overtrained side and at this point of the season the squad should be focusing on recovering from matches and maintaining strength and fitness. The only overweight player I can see is feka - if we could redistribute his spare tyre onto the other front rowers in th form of pure muscle we'd have the best pack in superleague

Rich

You didn't need to make a new thread about this.:conf:

Well I'm sure that the media attention we want is not to be a laughing stock.

And I still disagree with you. The players have no stamina because all they do is gym work they spend more time in the gym than on the field. Feka has gone bigger because he's in the bloody gym and not doing any strength and stamina training muscle weighs heavier and he's carrying far too much. The teams of the past, if you had cared to read my post properly, didn't have the high class facilities as they have today and they were fitter, stronger and had more stamina than they have today they used to run and swim and it didn't do them any harm.

My dad played for Wigan during the war, he finished a shift in the pit, went home had a bath and then ran to
St Helens played for eighty minutes and then walked it home, thats fitness and stamina. Could you see any of this team doing it??? Then the next day went back down the pit, he had one of the hardest jobs on the face, with no drilling tools, was buried twice, smashed his jaw, broke his leg, broke an ankle and was still fit.

Another rant over with

[Matthew]

I've got to disagree here - this is a recipe for disaster.

Friday night was a five-star, fur-lined, ocean-going disaster - it was titanic interpreted through rugby league. How can things get worse? Getting tanked by stains? That's already happened 3 times this year - with another one looming. If we are save anything from this season then we need to change something

If the players are unfit now then that is either because of a poor pre-season or they are overtraining now. Running them up and down haigh hall all week is a garentee of an overtrained side and at this point of the season the squad should be focusing on recovering from matches and maintaining strength and fitness.

I don't think a few runs will do them any harm - no-one is seriously suggesting that they get flogged to the point of exhaustion. Anyway, so we risk over-training them - what's the worst that can happen? They look tired and get walloped? Might make them remember that they are supposed to playing rugby league - not entering a "best male group" competition on muscle beach!

The only overweight player I can see is feka - if we could redistribute his spare tyre onto the other front rowers in th form of pure muscle we'd have the best pack in superleague

So they would have even less stamina than they do now? Most of our players look out on their feet after 20 minutes - carrying extra muscle would only make it sooner.

Fatigued muscle is more of a hinderance than no muscle - as your knackered body has to lug it about with the rest of you. We are not Bradford circa 2002 - a fitter faster version of our current squad would be of more use than a stonger more muscular one - it's not a lack of strength that is costing us; it's a lack of stamina.

And if Feka lost a bit of weight, then he would have more of an impact on the field; rather than having an impact at the pie shop!

[josie andrews]

Thanks Matthew for agreeing with me

[Fujiman]

Hi Josie,

"Why then is Mr Noble commenting on the CC semi on BBC when he should be at the training ground with our players? That is the job he is paid to do, not commentating that is just a part-time hobby!"

Because he has a contract to do it and Wigan quite like having high profile media attention.
"
They should be made to train every bloody day this week with no days off, the stamina of the players is zilch, they should be out of the gym and off the weights and get some bloody running done up and down Haigh Hall or Rivington like past players used to do, they are all overweight and completely unfit."

I've got to disagree here - this is a recipe for disaster. If the players are unfit now then that is either because of a poor pre-season or they are overtraining now. Running them up and down haigh hall all week is a garentee of an overtrained side and at this point of the season the squad should be focusing on recovering from matches and maintaining strength and fitness. The only overweight player I can see is feka - if we could redistribute his spare tyre onto the other front rowers in th form of pure muscle we'd have the best pack in superleague

Rich

You didn't need to make a new thread about this.:conf:

Well I'm sure that the media attention we want is not to be a laughing stock.

And I still disagree with you. The players have no stamina because all they do is gym work they spend more time in the gym than on the field. Feka has gone bigger because he's in the bloody gym and not doing any strength and stamina training muscle weighs heavier and he's carrying far too much. The teams of the past, if you had cared to read my post properly, didn't have the high class facilities as they have today and they were fitter, stronger and had more stamina than they have today they used to run and swim and it didn't do them any harm.

My dad played for Wigan during the war, he finished a shift in the pit, went home had a bath and then ran to
St Helens played for eighty minutes and then walked it home, thats fitness and stamina. Could you see any of this team doing it??? Then the next day went back down the pit, he had one of the hardest jobs on the face, with no drilling tools, was buried twice, smashed his jaw, broke his leg, broke an ankle and was still fit.

Another rant over with

They don't make um now like they used to I agree they don't look fit but hopefully we will get some answers tomorrow at the forum. I will be asking about the regime if nobody else does. Vievers said in the ss bar after the match they did a lot of ball skills

[Red Hot Mama]

Maybe if Tommy were to give up the fags he could run a bit faster. When out with the team he spends more time outside the pub smoking than he does inside with the lads !!

[weststand-rich]

Hi Josie,

"You didn't need to make a new thread about this."

not sure why that happened??

"Well I'm sure that the media attention we want is not to be a laughing stock."

I'll excuse Nobbys commententing that at least.

"And I still disagree with you. The players have no stamina because all they do is gym work they spend more time in the gym than on the field. Feka has gone bigger because he's in the bloody gym and not doing any strength and stamina training muscle weighs heavier and he's carrying far too much. The teams of the past, if you had cared to read my post properly, didn't have the high class facilities as they have today and they were fitter, stronger and had more stamina than they have today they used to run and swim and it didn't do them any harm."

This issue of fitness is a distraction because every single player has a different fitness requirement. Modern props need to be able to function at 100% for 20 minute spells. 2nd rows/13 might need to operate at 80% for a full game, but a winger might only see 3 minutes of ball the full match and then need nothing but anaerobic sprint capacity. The truth is all the clubs will have well defined training schedules that are designed to prepare, maintain and peak throughout the season and will more or less train in the same way with a few tweaks and preferences. Given the games that we've won well and then lost within 6 days - this is not a fitness thing. When good teams like Wigan play like they did on Friday it's a player / team chemistry issue.

Regarding Feka. I give him a hard time but do actually quite like because for the limited time he's on he can cause problems. But his size is not a a gym issue. I've seen him swimming and that weight is not a result of gym work. He is obviously weight trained well but gym work hasn't given him a spare tyre. That's a result of eating and drinking sh**e.

[right cross]

if you all think that noble is there every training session your sadly miss informed ....it could be one of the reasons why there is trouble in the camp.

[LORENZO]

I would suggest a two week course at the Royal Marines training camp (or the paras).
I seen those lads getting fit for a fifth of the pay Wigan players are on and at the end of the day they go to put their lives on the line.
Any R.M. pt will get them in to shape double quick. No jolly's abroad next year - get them to a boot camp.
See if they can run 15 miles with a telegraph pole on their shoulders. They will soon understand teamwork then.