No Barrett again tonight

[cpwigan]

Fielden has improved since Trent gathered the team together. What should concern fans is that a coach who had coached him for several seasons had no idea how to return Fielden to an acceptable playing standard.

We are lions led by a donkey

[DaveO]

Fieldens improvement coinsided with Barrett's release. Coincidence maybe.

The question is not why Fieldens form improved - its why it dropped off in the first place! As the previous poster said this probably had a lot to do with the death of his mother and for me what happened when he last played for GB. Fielden has slowly been regaining form all this season with Barrett in the side.

I have always stated that Barrett as an individual is a great player. I do not rate him as a team player. I have stuck with that opinion all the way through. The team work was not there. Calls for Lockers head, give Barrett the captaincy.

Well Barrett has been captain for a few games and unless you are blind you must have seen him cajoling and encouraging the players and doing the captains job to a degree Lockers never has. The "individual player" accusation was exactly the same one as leveled at Farrell.

Sorry he did not have it when it came being a team player. I speak from what I have witnessed not what is written here but unconfirmed. Who said he spoke o the team after Huddersfield? Who said he lead his own training season?

Not me - I wasn't at the Hudds game I was away. I am not sure what the relevance is of these two supposed incidents is to what has been posted previously.

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He left Oz for salary cap reason mid contract. Why? Did he come here for glory and bailed out when he could not see it happening? 

More Chinese whispers. The salary cap reason he left for was Wigan gave his club a way out of a hole. He didn't actually have to leave mid-contract as any player does not. It had to be his choice. He could have held his club to its contract. He didn't.

Why is Riddel coming on a three year deal? "For glory and bailed out when he could not see it happening"?

17 of Barrett's standard would not win if they did not play as a team.
Jim

So what is the excuse for the other 16 not playing as a team?

Dave

[highland convert]

Dave you can troll my posts as much as you want. You can have your opinion.
You can have great players that raises the team and great players that overawe the others. I know Barrett is a great player. I am not knocking that. But it is pointless if the team can't stay with him. Faz lifted the team and took them with him. When the team stayed with Baz you got the top team in superleague. However it had a habit of falling apart. That's what causes the discontent on this site. If you give him credit for one you must accept he must take some responsibility for the other.

Jim

[jaws1]

Barrett top class player and never utilised at Wigan to his full extent did most of the play individually. Put him in the Saints side and he would have been a world beater.
If what i have read on this forum is true Barrett wanted to imput his knowledge into training and was refused point blank by i want to do it my Noble.

[Fraggle]

Barrett top class player and never utilised at Wigan to his full extent did most of the play individually. Put him in the Saints side and he would have been a world beater.

Actually, there's no certainty that would the case. For all his success in his career, a Grand Final success has eluded him. Would you suggest that none of his previous clubs have utilised him to his full extent, given he's not quite had the rewards that you would expect a "world beater" to have?

[cpwigan]

That would apply to many great Australian players though Fraggle. Indeed but for a freakish try he would have been a GF winner. He was very successful/a winner at State of Origin level which is the toughest competitiom in RL.

I lean on the side that Saints nor Leeds would have lost more than 1 game per season with Trent in their line up.

[DaveO]

Dave you can troll my posts as much as you want. You can have your opinion.
You can have great players that raises the team and great players that overawe the others.

Than once again that is the "others" fault.

I know Barrett is a great player. I am not knocking that. But it is pointless if the team can't stay with him.

What is pointless? Having him in the side? I don't see the logic in not signing great players because the rest of the side can't cope. It seems obvious to me the problem that needs sorting out is the players who can't cope.

Faz lifted the team and took them with him. When the team stayed with Baz you got the top team in superleague. However it had a habit of falling apart. That's what causes the discontent on this site. If you give him credit for one you must accept he must take some responsibility for the other.

I think if you look back over comments about Farrell he was just as often accused of the same things you say of Barrett. One man team comments and us being better off without him were not uncommon. I thought they were wrong when said about Farrell for exactly the same reason I think what you are saying about Barrett is wrong.

After T Smiths first game I saw a post on here from "God" I think which in it said the rest of the team were not reading his game or not on the same wavelength. I made a comment in reply asking how long would it be before him being so far ahead of the team was seen as a negative as it had been for Farrell and Barrett?

It seems to me because in the days of the salary cap we seem to have one rather than several great players whoever that player is gets stick for being better than all the rest !!

Barrett's gone next season but I bet we will get the same comments about Smith if things generally do not improve (i.e. we don't solve the inconsistency problem).

And by the way what does "troll my posts" mean?

Dave

[highland convert]

Dave
You ask,And by the way what does "troll my posts" mean?
In the troll definitions
One who discects and trashes others posts.
More often than not it is the type of post you employ. For that reason I have always looked on you as a troll,
No offence ment. It is your style which is a pity as you write many good posts.
Jim

[cpwigan]

I respect both of you personally. I am not sure Dave O intentionally means to annoy posters. I think that is his style of posting. I can see why it would. He annoyed me to the point of wanting to punch the screen once lol but hey who am I to criticise anybody. I guess most of us annoy each other at times and we are not even married lol.

[GeoffN]

Dave
You ask,And by the way what does "troll my posts" mean?
In the troll definitions
One who discects and trashes others posts.

That's not a definition I've ever seen. By all the commonly understood definitions of a troll.
Dave certainly isn't one, and his style of posting predates the www by a long way, and makes long posts much easier to read.

Far clearer than quoting the whole post, and then responding with one long one. It's the preferred style on just about any message board or usenet group that I've seen.