the_cow wrote:
The problem Wigan have had in recent times is that we have gone for 'experienced and successful' coaches- this has translated into coaches who have had their day and their gameplans/ training techniques/ tactics have become outdated- this is starting to be the case with Nobby and his 'one up, grind them down' rugby and was the case with 'flat attack' millward who went back to school in oz after leaving these shores.
I think in 2006 Noble was the right man for the job at Wigan when we were in a mess. There is the leadership aspect of coaching as well as the tactics and when we were all at sea on 2006 he was IMO a very calming influence. It is therefore very frustrating he has not been able to take us forward from 2006 where under him we played the best RL of his tenure here IMO.
I would be more concerned if IL cobbles a Jones & Farrell partnership together to appease the fans but the two don't get on- from what I have read Farrell has a huge ego.
I am not concerned about Farrell's ego but I do think this would be a popularist decision rather than one of any great sense.
Personally I think we should get Mr. Lam back- seems to be doing well and will be hungry whilst having loads of motivation and new ideas.
I am not sure Lam is far enough removed from his playing days yet for a head coach job here. The expectation would be similar to one Edwards would face but whereas Edwards has coached at top level in RU and IMO could handle the pressure I think it could ruin Lam's career.
If we do get a new coach I'd want it to be one who fits in the aims of the club which as I see it has a lot to do with bringing through our own players but it also has to be one familiar with modern tactics. Kearney would not be a bad shout IMO.
I also think we need to replace Lydon. I think the coaches job is to coach the team not worry about all aspects of player development from the juniors to the first team. In recent years there has been a lot of talk about the coach choosing his players not the chairman. Well I think if you have a proper performance director the club eventually gets a production line of players that would form the biggest part of the pool the coach would have to pick from.
They would be presented too him and he would be expected to forge a team out of what the club under the performance director produced. Of course there would still be signings from outside the club and the coach could influence that but I feel under Noble he wants a team we have never had in terms if style of player and can't coach any other type of team. We need a coach who is adaptable.
Dave
I agree with your point that Noble did well to keep us up and we needed someone to get the team back to basics to keep us from relegation- but since then we have still been playing the same 'simple' rugby and that is the problem.
If Farrell was employed as a coach to get the team going and bonding then that would be fine, however I could imagine him sticking his oar in if he didn't agree with what the manager was doing- I would worry his ego is too big to just be somewhat a lacky of the actual manager.
Kearney is a good shout also. Past NZ coaches have gone on to do well and be successful on these shores.
NOBLE OUT PLEASE- YOU'VE HAD TIME AND NOW MY PATIENCE HAS RUN OUT!
IT'S ONE THING TO LOSE, IT'S ANOTHER TO PLAY DIRE AND BORING RL AND THEN LOSE!
The biggest factor in NZ winning the world cup was the legendary Wayne Bennett - a coach we should have hired!
I like the thought that Edwards will become surplus to requirements, can someone tell Wasps and Wales that they should now be looking to offload him to us?
Winning is down to 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration - Shaun Edwards
cpwigan wrote:I do not know if people remember but the Aussie RU had a fabulous coach called Allan Jones. He was awesome in RU. He tried to move to League to coach Balmain and later Souths. It was a disaster.
cpwigan wrote:
highland convert wrote:Fron the article in the oz paper
He said he had not received any formal offers from English Super League club Wigan, as had been reported, nor from any English rugby clubs - although Wasps and Leicester are said to be interested.
Note he has not had a formal offer. Does not mean discussions have not taken place, food for thought. Jim
Good point Jim
Further to this article, there is also a revealing interview with Eddie Jones, who further reveals his former RL background.
RG: There has been talk of the Wigan rugby league club being interested in you, plus English rugby clubs Wasps and Leicester …
EJ: There is a bit of interest around. I am not sure what at the moment. No club has officially approached me …
RG: What about the idea of coaching in rugby league? Many believe you would be suited to coaching league.
EJ: The only [Australian rugby union] coach who has gone [to league] is Alan Jones … I don't think we have a lot of similarities. I played league when I was a young kid and loved the game. I always watched the game pretty intently and still watch it. If ever there was an opportunity to do that, I would jump at it because I think it is a fantastic game. It would be a great challenge.
RG: Would you consider an opportunity in Australia?
EJ: Definitely mate, definitely.
RG: What about the Kangaroos? They are still looking for a coach …
EJ: [laughs] I don't think I'm qualified.
RG: But if an opportunity in Australian rugby league arose, you would consider taking it up?
EJ: A hundred per cent, yes … but I think the chances of that happening are pretty remote.
RG: What would be the biggest challenge in switching codes?
EJ: You don't have the knowledge because you haven't been involved in the game. Three things you have to do to coach a team well are to have knowledge; be able to communicate; and to manage players. The last two are coaching skills, but knowledge is the hard part. You are never going to know the game as well as a Wayne Bennett or a Gus Gould.
Anybody who keeps asying Edwards was an expeception, as he only played league, must remember he played union at international level as a school boy!!!!!
He did know both codes before he signed for Wigan
cornwall drive warriors wrote:Anybody who keeps asying Edwards was an expeception, as he only played league, must remember he played union at international level as a school boy!!!!!
He did know both codes before he signed for Wigan
How is what Edwards did at schoolboy level 25 years ago relevant to either his possible return to RL or even to his job in RU? He was a kid and signed for Wigan on a full time deal as a teenager (17 I think wasn't it). I doubt what he did as a teenager aged 14, 15 or 16 in RU counts for anything at all.
cornwall drive warriors wrote:Anybody who keeps asying Edwards was an expeception, as he only played league, must remember he played union at international level as a school boy!!!!!
He did know both codes before he signed for Wigan
How is what Edwards did at schoolboy level 25 years ago relevant to either his possible return to RL or even to his job in RU? He was a kid and signed for Wigan on a full time deal as a teenager (17 I think wasn't it). I doubt what he did as a teenager aged 14, 15 or 16 in RU counts for anything at all.
Dave
I think the point cdw is making is that it would have helped him in his move to RU; at least he had some knowledge of the game, even if out of date.
As I've said before, though, it's Shaun's motivational/man-management skills that are needed here, rather than any technical innovations. The basic game hasn't changed that much since he left, and it's the basics that we can't (or won't) get right at present.
Shaun and Jackie are rugby anoraks. What they do not know they go and learn. Hence, off his own back Shaun spent a few months with the Broncos and Wayne Bennett before he started coaching.
Re Union. People are right Shaun did play Union. However, he did not play it in the sense of belonging to a club etc. It was just a good reason to not attend school in his final year at St John Fisher. The Union Rep team were touring abroad etc so it was a legitimate way of not bothering with school.
cpwigan wrote:Shaun and Jackie are rugby anoraks. What they do not know they go and learn. Hence, off his own back Shaun spent a few months with the Broncos and Wayne Bennett before he started coaching.
Re Union. People are right Shaun did play Union. However, he did not play it in the sense of belonging to a club etc. It was just a good reason to not attend school in his final year at St John Fisher. The Union Rep team were touring abroad etc so it was a legitimate way of not bothering with school.
He trained at Orrell to get selected for Lancashire so he was eligible for England. I think Jackie was sat at the back of the west stand against Wakefield, if it wasnt him its his twin! Never seen him there before wonder why he was there?
