Sutty first and foremost IL is an intelligent man. He actually told you that the inner workings of the club are kept from supporters. Well they try. Nothing wrong with that and perfectly acceptable. Every club does it. Every large organisation does it. You the fan/public are told what the club wants you to hear/think. Every sentence that IL gives you is considered and measured. In a club interview he is not going to get sidetracked / throw by a curve ball.Sutty wrote:I'm with DaveO on this one. I'm sorry CP but you seem to be gleening parts from the interview and adding your own opinions, to give the impression that everything Lenegan says is a lie and that our club is a total ruin (that's just my opinion BTW). Whether this is a concious intention of yours or not, I don't know. But that's certainly how it's coming across.
Despite what you may believe, you don't know everything that is going on at the club and I doubt that you are as "in" with the playing squad as you make out, based on some of the comments that you make in your posts.
Granted, your posts are well constructed and are often written with an obvious great knowledge of the game and our club. But sometimes you try and get you point across in a manner that some of our younger, more immature, or less intellectual posters would see as being the gospel.
Personally, I'm happy with the signing of Gleeson, especailly as we've managed to offload Mathers to boot. However, I am sure that Lenegan was answering the questions in a reasonably honest manner and that his ommission of Goulding from his comments was in line with the fact that he was talking about players who we had brought in to the club at short notice. It's my opnion that only someone looking to pick at the bones of the interview, would deem most of his comments to be inaccurate. Don't forget, he probably didn't have answers prepared for the interview questions and was talking off the top of his head, it's very easy to pick at things when you're listening to it in the comfort of your own home, and when you've got time to, possibly, read into something that isn't there.
Now fans can A) Choose to believe it B) Choose not believe it C) Read between the lines. Most fans will opt for A. No issue with that. B I consider a non starter he is simply telling you what he would like you to hear. That is his role. C with some inside information to facillitate and experience you can read between the lines.
FACT Wigan agreed a contract (a week last Friday) with Gleeson in advance of his signing. Every club does. You cannot sign somebody without knowing such details. Gleeson secures a 30% pay rise on his existing contract. Wigan offered 100K + DG / RM. Wire turned it down and demanded straight cash, more than . Several days passed. From last Thursday onwards Martin Gleeson stopped training with Warrington. Signing announced on Monday. Wigan pay an unknown cash amount (6 figure) spread over the duration of his contract and RM. Martin Gleson has no affinity to Wigan. The NRL was his dream. Personally, I do not think that matters but that is my opinion. However, the bull stated by Gleeson abd Wonderful Wigan is the make believe.
SURMISING / READING BETWEEN THE LINES. The days between Gleeson agreeing a contract with Wigan and signing for Wigan saw brinkmanship. Wire calling Wigan's bluff and asking for an inflated fee. Wigan were not prepared to pay that but like all deals Wigan were prepared to up their price. Wire had a real figure they were prepared to accept. Wire knew that Wigan would also need to free cap space so the straight cash only may have been a ruse to add pressure to Wigan. Why do you think the Gleson story got out to the media so much and in so much detail. One club wanted it to. It served their needs. All clubs / organisation disperse information when it suits. Internet MBs like to believe they make the news lol Now that is Hans Christian Anderson. If Wigan only had 25K under the cap then that deal would never have happened. Why would you tell the rest of the RL what you actually had available. IL would not. No club would. Heaven forbid that means they tell fans porkies, fans then go and promote that porky. Wigan wanted DG to go to Wire. He did not. Wigan were desperate to get Gleeson announced as far in advance of the Saints game as they could. Put bums on seats/sells tickets. As the days go by Wigan eventually agree a deal not the one they wanted. Not the perfect one for Wire either. Acceptable to both clubs but in all cases like this the buyer ups their ante more than the seller to conclude the deal. You have to, to close the deal with time running out. Gleeson did his bit too by taking his ball home. IL is not happy re DG. He makes an interview and mentions every outside back minus 1. If you care not to think that is important you are perfectly entitled to. If he had a future at Wigan and you believe Alex's loan return to be Wigan's gun centre hypothesis then surely he would have mentioned DG in the interview? I do worry about an owner thinking Phelps, Pryce and Roberts are acceptable. Good even. Roberts deserves time IMO and I accept the mitigation. Funny though how IL can plead on behalf of such players but not even mention others. If Phelps, Pryce, Roberts fail then who looks bad? Wigan / Owner. How long are some of these contracts. Gleeson? Has he ever completed a contract?
duration wise. Maybe 2 seasons quality is not a bad call. Was IL really concerned about keeping Mathers. He told you all he was. He was offered to Wire the Monday morning after Wigan had agreed acontract with Gleeson on the Friday. Still publically nobody likes to admit they made a mistake do they. Actions sugest that IL thinks he did despite the goodbye Richie bit. Of course he maty have meant every word of that and it was his true thoughts If you keep admitting mistakes then eventually even the most hardened supporter starts to think hold on maybe you made the mistakes, maybe you are at fault. You can then blame the coach of course. Anybody notice that IL stated he, BN,the board wanted to sign Gleeson? I thought he said he merely backed what BN wanted other than making calls financially or was that just for the public/the fans. Does anybody seriously believe the coach has 100% control on signing players Monie and Botica No mention of Tim Smith when discussing No 6 even though anybody else that played 6 this season was mentioned? Wigan have a file on Tim Smith but of course they do not tell you that. Do you think IL wanted fans to come and tell him any Tim Smith stories for the good of Tim Smith's health? Wigan wined and dined the First Fitness staff as a thankyou after the genitalia fiasco. How do you think it looks if IL keeps signing players and hving to admit mistakes, get rid of them. Not good for his ego (we all have one) not good for his standing is it?Remember it is a free country (luckily) and everyone is entitled to believe what they want. I will believe what I believe knowing it has a history of coming true 99% of the time. All you, I or anybody lse can do is back our judgements.