Fitness Of The Players!

[turf]

Massages, weights, treadmill running, outside running (weather permitting I think), and wrestling with each other as well I've heard.

[lucky 13]

It's almost like a reaction though , even though your brain tells you not to you just cant stop, it's a split second thing the winger goes full steam thinking the ball will be released a fraction earlier and ends up in front the center who wants to release his winger is a fraction slow but cant stop releasing the ball just adjusting to hit the winger makes it forward. It's very annoying .

So Ainscough just can't help running along with Pryce? Also, who is it annoying from? Ainscough or Pryce?

Also is this just getting carried away/inexperience from Ainscough, i.e, part of his learning curve? It surely ain't a fitness thing with him, lets put it that way!!

Think a lot of it is because of the lack of overlaps we create Aincough hitting the line flat and fast gives him an advantage he does it well, the down side he overuns it now and again, when the winger makes a mistake and comes in a try or break goes begging, he is not on his own. Gardner now stays back because he knows how good Saints are at giving Gidley the room to create try scoring chances for him, but it still happens.

[turf]

Think a lot of it is because of the lack of overlaps we create Aincough hitting the line flat and fast gives him an advantage he does it well, the down side he overuns it now and again, when the winger makes a mistake and comes in a try or break goes begging, he is not on his own.

Gardner now stays back because he knows how good Saints are at giving Gidley the room to create try scoring chances for him, but it still happens.

Technically nobodies fault then? Ainscough is extremely nippy and quick on exceleration and general speed and that is his advantage in these situations.

Ainscough will do the other point in bold with time and encouragement.

[LORENZO]

Back to the thread - I am no expert but the majority don't look fully fit to me.

[bertina]

Massages, weights, treadmill running, outside running (weather permitting I think), and wrestling with each other as well I've heard.

And downing copious amounts of lager around Wigan town centre on a regular basis. FACT!!!

[weststand-rich]

This maybe in the wrong place, but just wanted to understand a bit more about this "conditioning" people post about. I take it that all players will be doing lots of various weight programmes, and cardio-vascular work, so what does conditioning consist of?

The conditioning will be a mix. There will be a core of exrcises, running, drills and weights that all the players do, but they will (should) be personalised and each of the players will do specialised exercises for their team role. The forwards will probably do more power based weight training and upper body work than the backs.

The forwards will also do a mix of work designed to put on some muscle bulk; the impacts they take mean they have to have the bulk to protect and take the forces involved in stopping 110Kg sprinting at you flat out. But here there's a fine line. Too much weight and your fitness is impeded because you literally have to carry the bulk with you, too little weight and your fitter but more likely to pick up injury and make less of an impact.

It also depends what you mean by fit. Look at Dwain Chambers last year. Nobody would deny he was fit for 100m sprinting, but he couldn't cope with the fitness demands of even a reserve game last year. He had exceptional anerobic (power/sprinting short distance) fitness but poor aerobic fitness (long distance oxygen burning). Look at Feka. He's power but burns out quickly. For him to last, he'd need to shift stones and would lose some of his impact.

I've wondered about our fitness regime at the club for a while and would question whether Forshaw is appropriately qualified for the role of head conditioner. Did he work wonders at Wire? Rugby league seems to be particularly backward in bringing in properly qualified coaches and seems to rely on appointing ex-players who have acquired the skills through playing. I'm not saying that approach can't work, but does Forshaw have a degree in exercise physiology? Does he appreciate the differences between all the different types of training? Can he identify 'overtrained' players and identify the symptoms for this? Or does he just do what he did and what worked in the past?

[turf]

Massages, weights, treadmill running, outside running (weather permitting I think), and wrestling with each other as well I've heard.

And downing copious amounts of lager around Wigan town centre on a regular basis. FACT!!!

Only some of the squad from what I have heard. The sensible ones, i.e, Ainscough/Tomkins (if those two even venture out round Wigan, I don't know) only probably go our for a couple of pints, but at least they can stand up straight when it is time for them to go home.

Plus, if the players are drinking round town, then the performances are certainly showing, all except Tomkins and Asncough.

[ashtonned]

Back to the thread - I am no expert but the majority don't look fully fit to me.

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[cpwigan]

The worrying aspect of all, is that we cant even fulfil the most basic of game plans

Is it not just boredom ?

Exactly.

[mario]

Let me ask, why do we see so many nrl players play state of origin and then back up for there clubs only a few days later !

Attitude ?

They are Rested the week before Origin though.