Drop Ainscough at your peril Noble!

[turf]

Somebody explain why he even needs to mention publically that young players need to work on their weaknesses. It is common sense. I am not a coach but just by watching both young players I could tell you they had things to work on just as any players does. Guess what, I can pick weaknesses in Ellery Hanley, Andy Gregory and Shaun Edwards but it would be pathetically churlish and make me look like a prat.

Whatsmore, why/how are older players exempt? Stuart Fielden has serious weaknesses. His weaknesses are far more important to the whole team but they are never acknowledged or challenged by Numpty.

All this feet on the ground nonsense? You can do that without dropping young players at every opportunity. It backfired with Ashton.

I keep thinking just how many more talented young players are we keeping back and for what? Bailey? Just using him as an example.

Somebody tell me why a coach whines about the Easter Schedule and yet ignores it as an opportunity to freshen the squad up. Maybe just maybe 2 more youngsters would have given the team a huge lift v Catalan. Youngsters never let you down for effort and enthusiasm.

That is what I cannot understand about Noble cpwigan? That sort of thing (weaknesses) should be attended to/dealt with privately, not in public.

Unless, it is sending a message thoughout the squad and Noble is using AInscough as an example, which he shouldn't be, but you never know/can tell.

[GeoffN]

It's more than just the four (could easily have been more) tries, his overall performance (and attitude) was excellent apart from maybe one or two errors. He was also constantly running the ball in hard, I think Mike B already mentioned one particular play where he caught a high ball and beat off 3 or 4 tacklers running it back half the length of the pitch, and he was doing the "hard yards" like Brett Dallas used to do (and copping a couple of high shots like Brett, too!).

His enthusiasm lifts the players around him, too. I'd put him on the potential "future captain" list, along with Sam T.

Credit Brough for the two tries scored on Ainscoughs wing, they were both inch perfect to Blanch and were unstoppable. We cannot make him captain though, I am a great supporter but the lad is embarrassing when he is interviewed on Tv although to be fair ha wasn't half as bad at Les Cats as he was at London. Has to be Sam Tomkins for captain in a couple of years.

I don't give a toss how our captain appears on TV as long as he does the business on the pitch. I agree that Sam is the better candidate, though.

[neilbass]

In full agreement Turf and cpwigan - stop the public criticism Brian!

Great performance today and if Ainscough hadn't played I truly believe we would not have won the game.

You work on frailties behind closed doors - you don't constantly go on about them in post-match press conferences to the point where the lad will become paranoid - and opposition coaches will pick him out even more.

Radlinski can work with Shaun on the high balls - one to one training with someone like Sam T punting them up for him from dawn to dusk.

We'll all see the improvement - without the need for the public dressing down every match.

It's like Noble resents him scoring tries and being a crowd-pleaser!

[exile in Tiger country]

Quote from Noble "There is no doubt he is a work in progress," said Noble.

"He has got superb prowess. He is strong, quick and knows how to finish but there are other parts of his game he needs to improve."

Seems pretty positive to me. not defending dropping Ainscough, but Noble's comments seem reasonable. Positives first, then statement of fact. There are aspects of his game he can improve, we all know that.

[GeoffN]

Quote from Noble "There is no doubt he is a work in progress," said Noble.

"He has got superb prowess. He is strong, quick and knows how to finish but there are other parts of his game he needs to improve."

Seems pretty positive to me. not defending dropping Ainscough, but Noble's comments seem reasonable. Positives first, then statement of fact. There are aspects of his game he can improve, we all know that.

The point is, as cp has said, you could say the same about just about any player - how many can you think of that have no faults, yet he singles out Ainscough's.


People used to say about Offiah: "all he can do is score tries"...

[turf]

Quote from Noble "There is no doubt he is a work in progress," said Noble.

"He has got superb prowess. He is strong, quick and knows how to finish but there are other parts of his game he needs to improve."

Seems pretty positive to me. not defending dropping Ainscough, but Noble's comments seem reasonable. Positives first, then statement of fact. There are aspects of his game he can improve, we all know that.

The point is, as cp has said, you could say the same about just about any player - how many can you think of that have no faults, yet he singles out Ainscough's.


People used to say about Offiah: "all he can do is score tries"...

It seems like he is singling out Ainscough and Ainscough alone for unecessary criticism for his mistakes

[cpwigan]

At some point also you just have to accept that once you have done all the coaching you can Shaun Ainscough is going to be targetted and every so often outjumped when kicks are put in the air. He's short you cannot change that. It is a positive in other respects.

What excuses does Amos have? We paid a lot of money for Gleeson but he could have been faulted today. Fielden losing possession several times in a match, successive matches is far more damaging than a winger getting outjumped once or twice. Moreover, if the likes of Fielden did better in attack and defence then the danger re kicks would be diminished. If a kick is quality one has to look at what went before it, why were we not dominant in the tackle? why did we not slow the play of the ball down? why did we not pressurise the kicker?

Public criticism of young players and treated them differently to other players is wrong on both counts.

I think Mick Hogan should be pulling Noble to one side and saying look we do not need the Ainscough has weaknesses rubbish that you keep spouting. He's like a broken record now. Time to keep it closed Numpty!!

[Wigan_forever1985]

Im going to echo most of the feelings on this thread re: nobles attitude.

Interestingly i had to go on a "motivational team building day" with work last week and the guy doing it used to advise at Wigan when they were successful (no colleration between the 2 events implied merely highlighting the time frame) and they used to never re-iterate negative comments. For example if a player does something wrong, you dont continually show him his fault, you show him his success's and ask him to build on them by re-enforcing a positive attitude. What baffles me along with many people on here i gather is how Noble keeps harping on about how Ainsy needs work yet has taken no responsibility for that?. This seems backwards, i mean its like taking your son/daughter to swimming lessons and the instructor pushed them in the deep end and while they were flapping about just turning to you and saying "the problem is they cant swim".

Im no coach but it seems to me the only glaring weakness in ainsy's game is his ability under the high ball. Now again im no coach but why not have him stay behind for 1 hr after every training session and kick high ball after high ball till he can do it in his sleep. Im not having that its a skill you cant learn through practice i mean when i played at uni i was terrible under the highball and thats what happened to me the coach constantly got people to kick high balls in practice till i got it down. Luckily i got moved to 6 and didn't have to bother as much .

Its obivous that Ainsy is not a nobby fave and he is the most stubborn person ever with not an ounce of pragmatism about his work. If your going to have a pop at Ainsy then have a pop at Roberts who cant catch either, what about your toy boy feilden who cant do, well anything apart from scowl and point his finger, or what about hock he makes mistakes all the time where's his public dressing down.

Noble has no get out clause for the way he is talking about ainsy in the press becuase it either boils down to 2 things.

1. He has faveourite and if your not one your stuffed, mickey h found this out as did calders.

or

2. After you reach 25 you are therefore exempt from having to have a good game as your not in development then you are therefore ignored.

Im beginning to think that Noble is just doing it to wind us up, like he know's he is going and is letting his yorkshire bradfurt head go nuts!

sad sad times for Wigan RL

[jaws1]

I made a statement last match if Ainscough was dropped that i would not watch another match as long as Noble is in charge .Dropping him again and then picking him because Carmont was ill just showed what a Numpty our coach is especially when after scoring 4 tries he singles him out for mistakes made .I stand by my decision that i will not watch the first team again as long as Humpty Numpty is in charge i will go to Orrell and watch the reserves as i am a season ticket holder if he is next year i will not renew x2.Mick Hogan my seat numbers are East Stand BB 84 and 85.

[cpwigan]

It it me but is Numpty a bully? His actions strike me as tantamount to a bully. He only criticises easy targets, young players so desparate to have a future that they will stand their and take whatever he does / says to them.

When we lost the first match v Wakey. An experienced player had a blazing row with Numpty and told him to F this, F that. It carried on at Orrell on the Monday. Since that day, Numpty has never crossed the player once. In fact he has gone out of his way to praise him.

I find it gutless that Numpty seems to only challenge young players. It is a recurring theme.