Tim Smith....

[ellery 4 coach]

does that include players under the high ball eg ainscough

[cpwigan]

does that include players under the high ball eg ainscough

In what respect Ellery? Are you saying players should be able to catch kicks?

[yoda warrior]

He is limited with ball in hand to passing. He is not fit enough nor fast enough to pose a running threat. His kicking game which was once upon a time great is very hit and miss due to lack of strength/fitness.

tim smith is an outstanding talent. reminds me of andrew johns, mannerisms, style of passing etc. agree with cpw though, joey could bust the line and his long kicking game and 1 on 1 defence were outstanding. tim needs to work on these areas of his game, but his passing and short kicking are as good as anyone in SL. if riddell is going to be out for a while, i think we may see our best combination of tomkins at 6, smith at 7 and leuleui at 9.

[Big Steve]

Tim is probably the only player we have who can consistently unlock a defence with quality of passing.

If he was playing against saints a couple of weeks ago I think we would probably have shown much more threat of breaking their line whilst we wwere camped down on their 20 yard line for around 30 tackles.

He has that something special we have been missing, for all the effort and enthusiasm of Sam, he hasn't yet shown he can direct a team and unlock a defence with quality of passing. His eye and speed for a gap combined with Smith's abailty to bring others into the game is a very good combination I think.

If (and it is a BIg if) he can maintain his motivation and fitness and work alongside the team in defence then I think he is teh difference between us being mid-table and challenging for something this season.

That's a challenge for Noble I think.

[DaveO]

does that include players under the high ball eg ainscough

Like the bomb he caught v Wakefield followed up by a 50m break you mean?

Dave

[gpartin]

does that include players under the high ball eg ainscough

Like the bomb he caught v Wakefield followed up by a 50m break you mean?

Dave

Not just any bomb either it was incredibly high.

[OAMJSONA]

Found this description of Bipolar on Wikepedia

but i still say Smiths defense is very weak and at this present time a liability, young Sam is head and heels infront of him in this department and his ability to break a defense down


Bipolar disorder
Classification and external resources
ICD-10 F31.
ICD-9 296.80
OMIM 125480 309200
DiseasesDB 7812
MedlinePlus 001528
eMedicine med/229
MeSH D001714
Bipolar disorder, also known as manic depression, is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a category of mood disorders defined by the presence of one or more episodes of abnormally elevated mood clinically referred to as mania or, if milder, hypomania. Individuals who experience manic episodes also commonly experience depressive episodes or symptoms, or mixed episodes in which features of both mania and depression are present at the same time. These episodes are usually separated by periods of "normal" mood, but in some individuals, depression and mania may rapidly alternate, known as rapid cycling. Extreme manic episodes can sometimes lead to psychotic symptoms such as delusions and hallucinations. The disorder has been subdivided into bipolar I, bipolar II, cyclothymia, and other types, based on the nature and severity of mood episodes experienced; the range is often described as the bipolar spectrum.

Data from the United States on lifetime prevalence vary but indicate a rate of around 1 percent for Bipolar I, 0.5 to 1 percent for Bipolar II or cyclothymia, and between 2 and 5 percent for subthreshold cases meeting some but not all criteria. The onset of full symptoms generally occurs in late adolescence or young adulthood. Diagnosis is based on the person's self-reported experiences, as well as observed behavior. Episodes of abnormality are associated with distress and disruption, and an elevated risk of suicide, especially during depressive episodes. In some cases it can be a devastating long-lasting disorder. In some cases, however, it has been associated with creativity, goal striving and positive achievements.[1]

Genetic factors contribute substantially to the likelihood of developing bipolar disorder, and environmental factors are also implicated. Bipolar disorder is often treated with mood stabilizer medications, and sometimes other psychiatric drugs. Psychotherapy also has a role, often when there has been some recovery of stability. In serious cases in which there is a risk of harm to oneself or others involuntary commitment may be used; these cases generally involve severe manic episodes with dangerous behavior or depressive episodes with suicidal ideation. There are widespread problems with social stigma, stereotypes and prejudice against individuals with a diagnosis of bipolar disorder.[2] People with bipolar disorder exhibiting psychotic symptoms can sometimes be misdiagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia, another serious mental illness.[3]

Also called manic depression or bipolar affective disorder, the current term "bipolar disorder" is of fairly recent origin and refers to the cycling between high and low episodes (poles). A relationship between mania and melancholia had long been observed, although the basis of the current conceptualisation can be traced back to French psychiatrists in the 1850s. The term "manic-depressive illness" or psychosis was coined by German psychiatrist Emil Kraepelin in the late nineteenth century, originally referring to all kinds of mood disorder. German psychiatrist Karl Leonhard split the classification again in 1957, employing the terms unipolar disorder (major depressive disorder) and bipolar disorder.

[cpwigan]

Tim gets an easy ride from Wigan fans. Increasingly I find the treatment / judgement of players by Wigan fans very inconsistent.

[warrior till i die]

when tim his in the form he has been in over the last two weeks he is worth his weight in gold, he has been world class over the last fortnight and has set up absolutely everything.

His defence seems to be tightening up, this may be due to the fact of him having bailey and gleeson defending next to him but he can hold his head high and if he keeps playing like he is there is no reason why he shouldnt be in the 17.

[OAMJSONA]

some people on here know i do not give any one an easy ride and will always speak my mind

Time Smith was an exicting propsect in Aus as a 19 year but in my opinion Sam as i think most of us will agree as a far better future in store for himself

may be there is an opportunity here to send Smith back and let Sam have his head to take defenses on more and more

The quality of our overseas players is at, the very best, average