Noble

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Panchitta Marra
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Re: Noble

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GeoffN wrote:
nellywelly wrote:I still have the faith and I believe we are getting beter and stronger I know the results dont back me up but if you watch the games again you can see this.Dont right us off just yet get behind the team and Nobby and just see what might be
But even if you look at performances rather than results, there's no improvement. Yes, we played reasonably well on Friday (first half, at least), but you have to go back to the Murrayfield win for our last good performance. We look good for parts of games, but rarely for whole games, which is sometimes good enough to scrape a win, but more often not.

How many games this season can you say we've played well for 80 minutes? One? Two? Certainly no more than that.
We also plyed against twelve men for part of this Friday nights game.
Is that a true reflector of how the team is performing.
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Re: Noble

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Panchitta Marra wrote:
We also plyed against twelve men for part of this Friday nights game.
Is that a true reflector of how the team is performing.
In the past, we have won with, and lost against, 12 men. It is a well known fact that when a team is reduced to 12 men, ther rest step up a gear.

Stevo said so, so it must be true! :D
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Re: Noble

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Kittwazzer wrote:
Panchitta Marra wrote:
We also plyed against twelve men for part of this Friday nights game.
Is that a true reflector of how the team is performing.
In the past, we have won with, and lost against, 12 men. It is a well known fact that when a team is reduced to 12 men, ther rest step up a gear.

Stevo said so, so it must be true! :D
Not a true reflection on form then really.

If Stevo said it, then it must definitely be true.

As you say, a team can raise its game when they are reduced to 12.
Its a players natural instinct knowing he has to dig in deeper.
I am not sure if they could keep this impotus up for most of the game, and if given choice I would rather play against 12 men all season than 13.
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Re: Noble

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Kittwazzer wrote:
GeoffN wrote: If Nobby had been bringing the fringe players through as other coaches do with theirs, they'd be better able to step in when needed. As it is, six of our first team squad still have little or no experience at this level.
And you think maybe a short term Aussie Coach would make the clubs long term Youth Policy his priority?
Shaun Wane isn't an Aussie.
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No, he isn't. But neither does he have any experience of coaching at the highest level!
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Re: Noble

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Kittwazzer wrote:No, he isn't. But neither does he have any experience of coaching at the highest level!
Again, why should that be a priority? We've tried that route with both Noble and Millward, and it hasn't worked.


Justin Morgan went from coaching Toulouse to HKR, and took them from NL1 to top 4 of SL in just 3 years (less time than Noble had had here).

Brian McDermott went from assistant at Leeds to Quins, who are still above us in the table.

McClennan at Leeds had no top club coaching credentials, neither did McNamara at Bradford.

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Re: Noble

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Kittwazzer wrote:No, he isn't. But neither does he have any experience of coaching at the highest level!
Maybe not, but he does have the full respect of the squad players from academy through to first team.
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Re: Noble

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Kittwazzer wrote:
GeoffN wrote: If Nobby had been bringing the fringe players through as other coaches do with theirs, they'd be better able to step in when needed. As it is, six of our first team squad still have little or no experience at this level.
And you think maybe a short term Aussie Coach would make the clubs long term Youth Policy his priority?
Why is the long term youth policy the remit of any coach? Coaches tend to last about 3 years at best at any club. Leeds have a successful youth policy and have had several coaches in recent years.

Long term youth policy is too crucial a job to be given to a coach who everyone knows will leave eventually. It needs far more continuity than that.

The youth system needs to deliver up prospective SL players and where the coach fits in is in deciding which ones are ready for the the 1st team and then getting them up to being true 1st team players once they make the 1st team squad. Noble is particularly bad at doing this IMO.

Dave
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Re: Noble

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DaveO wrote:
Kittwazzer wrote:
GeoffN wrote: If Nobby had been bringing the fringe players through as other coaches do with theirs, they'd be better able to step in when needed. As it is, six of our first team squad still have little or no experience at this level.
And you think maybe a short term Aussie Coach would make the clubs long term Youth Policy his priority?
Why is the long term youth policy the remit of any coach? Coaches tend to last about 3 years at best at any club. Leeds have a successful youth policy and have had several coaches in recent years.

Long term youth policy is too crucial a job to be given to a coach who everyone knows will leave eventually. It needs far more continuity than that.

The youth system needs to deliver up prospective SL players and where the coach fits in is in deciding which ones are ready for the the 1st team and then getting them up to being true 1st team players once they make the 1st team squad. Noble is particularly bad at doing this IMO.

Dave

I agree 100% Dave

But we to have a successfull youth policy

just a first team coach who does not know how to utilse that resource
Wigan is and always will be a town of Cherry & White

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Re: Noble

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Shaun Wane has a very good job outside Rugby and according to what I have been told, would not be interested in the full time position of Head Coach.

P.S. His name is Wane nt Wayne.
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