Re: Karl Pryce

[emperorkel]

HC perhaps your comments should be based on what happens on the pitch and not by what other people say on this, or any other forum.

Joel Tomkins does not look as good or effective this season as he did last not because he is a worse player but last year we had a player in Barrett who had the skill and class to get the best out of him and use the skills that were there. Barrett above all else was a team player.

Pryce is overweight and not looking like he is improving but the reason he gets criticised most is because he just does not look interested. Maybe its because he thinks the serious injury he had will come back and he is being over protective or maybe its because he is naturally a very laid back type of person.

I have never been the type of person, as far as sport is concerned, to say you have to applaud the ones wearing the shirt just because they wear it, they have to earn it and expect criticism if they don’t

[cpwigan]

We chose Pryce before he played but the gus were out before the season started. Mathers was good. Leeds, down under and at Wire. Ask yourself why he failed at Wigan. And don't blame Noble. I would expect him to go on to play for England. Wire gave us Gleeson and we gave them Mathers. I know who got the best bargain. Mathers is a class act. OK confidence destroyed at Wigan. Same season first team no1 playing in the cc and enjoying his game. I know where I place the blame and it in centred in a certain group of fans. If he played as well as he did for us we would have walked the game. Couple of mistakes but other than that he had a good game,
Jim

Jim, Mathers was a weak link in both the semi and League match v Wigan. He has not changed. I am not a huge Phelps fan but Phelps or Mathers at FB who would you select? I know who I would.

If you think he was different then you have to blame Wigan RLFC not the fans based on Mathers quotes I.E Nice to be coached again and I found out I had been transferred by reading the paper.

[Sutty]

HC perhaps your comments should be based on what happens on the pitch and not by what other people say on this, or any other forum.

Joel Tomkins does not look as good or effective this season as he did last not because he is a worse player but last year we had a player in Barrett who had the skill and class to get the best out of him and use the skills that were there. Barrett above all else was a team player.

Pryce is overweight and not looking like he is improving but the reason he gets criticised most is because he just does not look interested. Maybe its because he thinks the serious injury he had will come back and he is being over protective or maybe its because he is naturally a very laid back type of person.

I have never been the type of person, as far as sport is concerned, to say you have to applaud the ones wearing the shirt just because they wear it, they have to earn it and expect criticism if they don’t

:eusa2: very well said.

[cpwigan]

How many time on this site did someone post, Barrett wants to coach the players but Noble turned down the offer. My ideas come from interpreting what is written on here. On the field I saw a team running round like headless chickens waiting for insperation. When Barrett was off injured I saw a team playing more coordinated rugby. Maybe not up to Barrett standard but better to watch and they were winning. While he was injured the team came on, whhen he came back the renewed confidence carried us through to the final playoff.
Jim

Jim do you not see the paradox in that you criticise others for criticising players yet you make unfounded criticisms of Trent Barrett.

Trent Barrett is a senior / experienced player. A player that gave time and energy to help young players. Forget what you think you know. Ask Sam Tomkins how much Trent did for him.

Trent as a senior player would make suggestions. Brian Noble is a control freak and does not like players offering views. Wigan used to and the other top clubs do, have a leadership group of senior players. Wigan do not for whatwever reason. What tends to happen is when there is a crisis, the players dig themselves out of it. After the fans form debacle, Trent galvanised the squad together. After the Celtic Debacle this season, other players galvanised the squad together.

On you basis Edwards, Gregory and Hanley were trouble makers and disruptive. Those 3 players made Trent look like a church mouse when it came to speaking up and offering their views. Edwards and Gregory were incredibly opinionated but the great coaches utilised that. John Monie would even send Jackie Edwards out scouting the opposition. When these players did not rate a coach he was given the boot, Dorahay.

[Matthew]

It seems to me that the bulk of criticism that Pryce gets is down to him not looking bothered.

Mathers was defended by many on here (myself included at times) because whilst he was fragile; at least he tried his hardest.

Pryce seems indifferent to playing. When I have seen him play this year, he looks lazy and for a professional RL this is the worst thing you can do.

If he was beasting himself to get in the line and was trying to break tackles or at least support the ball carrier then he would be more popular with the fans. For the size of the bloke he should terrify defenders. Yet he seems to have less aggression than Mother Teresa.

The fact that he is one of Nobles "choosen players" may not help him with certain fans; however if he at least looked bothered then he would probably get a lot less stick in the mean time.

[DaveO]

We chose Pryce before he played but the gus were out before the season started. Mathers was good. Leeds, down under and at Wire. Ask yourself why he failed at Wigan. And don't blame Noble.

Why not? The parting shot by Mathers was not against the fans but against Noble "It's nice to be coached again".

I would expect him to go on to play for England. Wire gave us Gleeson and we gave them Mathers. I know who got the best bargain. Mathers is a class act.

I have my reservations about Gleeson, age and the fact we needed a prop rather than centre but to say Mather's is a class act is not true. If he gets his Leeds form back at Wire he will be a good player but he won't ever be a class act.

OK confidence destroyed at Wigan. Same season first team no1 playing in the cc and enjoying his game. I know where I place the blame and it in centred in a certain group of fans. If he played as well as he did for us we would have walked the game. Couple of mistakes but other than that he had a good game,
Jim

Which group of fans? I am sure you can't mean anyone on here because most of us don't sit together at the DW/JJB so if you mean you witnessed a few at a match having a pop then what is new and more importantly different than at any other club.

In another post you mentioned an individual at Barrow having a go at Lockers. Well it would not surprise me in the least if it wasn't the same loon who used to do the same to Farrell when he was here. But it's just one nutter and there are always those at all clubs and if you think they have such influence to drive players from clubs or ruin their confidence I think you are mistaken.

They may upset you but players like Lockers and Farrell really don't giver a stuff.

Dave

[DaveO]

On you basis Edwards, Gregory and Hanley were trouble makers and disruptive. Those 3 players made Trent look like a church mouse when it came to speaking up and offering their views.



When these players did not rate a coach he was given the boot, Dorahay.

Either myself of my Dad has a DVD that includes the interview Edwards gave on Dorahay after a match to a commentator and it is pretty astounding. I must dig it out. Jim would be mortified.

Dave

[Panchitta Marra]

At the end of the day these players are humans, some one said on another topic that they met/spoke to feka at the fans day and couldn’t believe how much a nice guy he was. Just because these guys are 16-17 stone, run like mad men charging into other men 2ce their size does not necessary mean they are like an animal. For those who have never met players - our own or any other team’s player, i can say that some of these guys are the most pleasant, gentle and caring guys i have ever met! Huddersfield Crabtree is as gentle off pitch as they come! and yes - call them soft, or what ever you want, but it does hurt them inside when they hear the things they get called, from pre season, to every month in the season. Someone above says, they are professional sportsmen and get plenty of stick from other players, that’s called banter between themselves. but when your low in confidence or lack of game time, how on earth would you feel having to play a game in front of 10 thousand of your own fans, knowing in the back of your mind that no matter if you play well or have a shit game your going to get stick what ever you do. And i for one know KP well enough to know how he feels inside. I wish more than anyone else that he will jump out of his shell and be the player he can be, and prove himself!

Awaits post to be corrected, miss spellings or punctuation, maybe dissecting individual lines.

Oh and by the way - fans attatude does cause players to leave the club.

Gemma, it simply isn't true that "no matter if you play well or have a shit game your going to get stick what ever you do".

Players are judged on how they play in a particular gamee, or for a period. The fans react to how they perform, not the other way around. Look at the amount of stick Riddell got at after his first few games, and how that's lessening as his performances have improved. Look at the comments after the last game; everyone is saying how much better some players were (after being singled out by Noble as well as us for playing poorly).

I'm quite certain that if and when KP's fitness and playing improves, the adverse comments will fade, but it has to happen that way around. False praise benefits no-one, least of all the player himself.

Gemma,
not all players are soft and humble on the inside like you say Eorl Crabtree & Fekka are.
I have family friends from Bradford who have knocked about in areas where certain Rugby players go.
They told me that then, the biggest pair of arxe holes to be in the Bradford area are brothers, one who signed for Stains, and one who signed for Wigan.
Nothing sticks to people like that, they just laugh it all off and dont care.
Like you, I just wish he would put his ten penneth of effort in to get fit, and show us what he is really worth as a Wigan Rugby League player.

[Shaun1967]

Mathers is a class act.

Someone at both Gold Coast and Wigan failed to notice this as they both released him early from his contracts.

[Lifetimer]

Good . My attitude is let him go because he is a big lazy lump of lard.

Lets not forget these character's are being paid a lot of money (our money) to entertain the public.

If I did my job the same way this clown performs I would be out on my ear.