you got what you wanted

[R Douglas]

The Noble backers say he saved us from relegation when he came and he has improved us since and given us stability.

Both these statements are true but we are only a mid table side who have lost five semi finals under his control and not won one. Further more the style of rugby we play most of the time is boring, now boring is ok if you are winning but since we are not I would rather lose having watched good open rugby than the dross we have had to endure at times.

They say he has improved our youth and academy set-ups and the back up staff are better. He has also given youth a chance.

Again its difficult to argue with these statements but we are not the fittest team in the league and I think many of the younger players have got there chance because of injuries, plus on the face of it his treatment of Ainscough has been deplorable.

They say he has never had his own team and IL has picked the players to sign.

Now Nobby has always had the final say over signings its been his choice whether we signed someone or not but even if you think its true that he had no say would you really want him to carry on. I cannot believe that a man who has so much integrity would stay in a job where he took all the blame for things that went wrong but just got on with it for the sake of a paycheque each week. If he did carry on under those circumstances how would things get better?

Statistically, and I hate these things because I was told by a lecturer once that all my life I had believed 2 plus 2 was 4 but in economics it could be anything between 3 and 5, so we have won 53% of our games and lost 42% its not getting better and the reason we have no trophies to show for it.

So I say thank you Brian for the stability but its time to move up a gear and look for some real improvement

I think you're 100% spot on. Results are what matter most (or improvement of them) and the way we go about getting them is a close second.

It felt like Groundhog Day on Saturday that when we lost McIlorum. We had to disrupt the back bone of our squad (including the only current world class member of the Team) multiple times during the game to compensate, and we still had no plan B in case it happened. Didn't this happen several times earlier in the season? And that unfortunately has been BN all over.

A genuinely professional and nice guy who I believe has taken us about as far as he could. IL has been very brave, not, I believe irrational, and whatever comes on Weds we need to support that decision.

Good luck Nobby and most of all good luck IL! (Although quite soberly I'm sure that IL would tell us that luck doesn't count in business).

[The Eclipse]

I want a coach who can get the best out of the players and improve them, both as individuals and as a team.
Also need to have the team playing an enterprising style of footy, unlike some of the rubbish dished up over the last few years.

[R Douglas]

Even though micheal maguire is only an asistant in the NRL he will be more up to date then any coach in SL because he's the assistant at a club that has won two of the last three NRL's. Regarding first team experience as has been said he takes over the coaching reins while Bellamy is on origin duty. Another plus is that Maguire is also a fully qualified strength and conditioning coach and did that job at canberra for 3 or 4 years when they finished 4th, 8th and 4th and now he's been assistant at melbourne fininsing 1st, 2nd and 1st. Not a bad CV

If we get MM I think we should be much more optimistic than if Nobby had been extended for one more year. He won't be able to change a lot with regards to who's in the 2010 squad, and so it will really be a true measure of this guy's coaching pedigree, and very quickly.

Nobby had success evolving a squad on the back of Brian Smith and Matty Elliot's initial development, at the Bulls, and quite often you need fresh blood to take you to the next level. I'm sure the same will now happen for us so long as we select the right man to take us forward.

[DaveO]

If we get MM I think we should be much more optimistic than if Nobby had been extended for one more year. He won't be able to change a lot with regards to who's in the 2010 squad, and so it will really be a true measure of this guy's coaching pedigree, and very quickly.

That is going to be true whoever we get as coach I think.

I have never subscribed to the notion of "it's not his team". I never thought that was an excuse that should have been made for Nobby and I don't thinkk it should be for the new coach. One of Nobby's failings has IMO been his inability to get the best from the squad which shopws up in the inconsistency.

Surely one of the reasons Nobby is going is because IL expects the new bloke to get more out of the current squad regardless of the fact the new coach will have signed none of them?

Dave

[Panchitta Marra]

for all the knockers who have constantly given noble grief he s gone and come wednesday morning you will wish he d stayed because the man thats replacing him doesent even have first team coaching experience .

The coaches of the top two teams in SL set off without first team experience.
Brian Mcclennan's appointment as New Zealand national coach was one of the most controversial appointments in Rugby League, due to his lack of top level experience.
He didnt do too bad with the Kiwi's and hasnt fared too bad at Leeds either to be honest.
Given the choice of Brian Mcclennan, Harry Potter or Michael Mcguire, I would chose Michael Mcguire, as has experience at the very top club team in any form of Rugby League. Even his peers sing his praises.
I have been a knocker of Brian Noble, I gave my honest reasons for it too.
I honestly think a top assoistant coach from the NRL, like MM would be the person to bring on the young talent Wigan Warriors currently has.

[markill]

why would someone come out a defend a coach who has constantly led our team to the edge of a final and continued to fail. i was so frustrated after the game on saturday and was just releived that was the last i'd have to see of noble as our coach, with only the optimism of something different maybe making the difference. and before we criticise, give the guy a chance. yeah there are reservations as there always is but lets get behind the team and give the new coach a chance. i for one am excited.

the players need to hear a different philosophy to noble's, we all know that really, even if its hard to accept for some. even some of our players seem to have found it hard to accept, Harrison Hansen said how noble was a great coach who brought his game on...but he only really has betts (who was keeping a seat warm) and milward to compare it to

by the by, i don't think a coach who has stopped him from running around players and scoring tries to always cutting it back against the flow, taking a whack and ultimately seeing awful angles like the one in the second half on saturday that cost us a try scoring chance is good for a players game. so i disagree with hansen.

but WE NEED A CHANGE because i'm fed up of inconsistency, excuses, tired cliches about duty of care and not winning a trophy in april, losing to saints when we outplayed them and not reaching finals so i for one will be looking forward to the change!

[exile in Tiger country]

for all the knockers who have constantly given noble grief he s gone and come wednesday morning you will wish he d stayed because the man thats replacing him doesent even have first team coaching experience .

The coaches of the top two teams in SL set off without first team experience.
Brian Mcclennan's appointment as New Zealand national coach was one of the most controversial appointments in Rugby League, due to his lack of top level experience.
He didnt do too bad with the Kiwi's and hasnt fared too bad at Leeds either to be honest.
Given the choice of Brian Mcclennan, Harry Potter or Michael Mcguire, I would chose Michael Mcguire, as has experience at the very top club team in any form of Rugby League. Even his peers sing his praises.
I have been a knocker of Brian Noble, I gave my honest reasons for it too.
I honestly think a top assoistant coach from the NRL, like MM would be the person to bring on the young talent Wigan Warriors currently has.

McClennan and Potter both inherited quality sides, much as Noble did at Bradford.
It would require ineptitude beyond belief for Leeds to have finished outside the top two.
That side could effectively have been left without a coach and as long as they turned up for training would still have beaten most sides.
Maguire (if indeed it is he) is inheriting a side that isn't as good as Leeds and this will be a real test for him, especially as the chairman has had his wallet welded shut it seems.
If the new coach can get Wigan higher in the league and to win some trophies I will be thrilled, but I'm not expecting it next year.
Potter will struggle at snakes next year because his team is being pulled apart by age, and next season will be harder for him than this.

[Alex the Warrior]

Yes, I have got what I wanted. I wouldn't have renewed my ticket had he stayed as he has given us something I didn't think was possible - boring rugby league. I'm sick of turning up in February to see a team a month away from being fit enough and I'm sick of seing us embarrassed tactically in CC semi finals.

I didn't like his style of rugby at Bradford and he tried to play the same way here without having the personnel to even win ugly.

[DaveO]

What most please me about this is that IL went over to Oz with bigger names in mind, but spoke to as many gurus as he could before aiming for Kearney and Maguire. Just as he wouldn't pay over the odds for Webb, a man whose CV looks better than he does these days, and who would have been a classic Mo signing.

Well I hope if it is MM he wasn't signed as coach because he was cheaper than the man IL really wanted but because he was considered the right man for the job.

Cost should be no object when it comes to a coach as there is no salary cap involved. If Wayne Bennett had been available and McQuire was signed because he was cheaper and that came out I think there would be riot and justifiably so.

That said if it is McQuire I am sure it will have been because he is so highly thought of and the likes of Bennett were not available.

Dave

[Panchitta Marra]

for all the knockers who have constantly given noble grief he s gone and come wednesday morning you will wish he d stayed because the man thats replacing him doesent even have first team coaching experience .

The coaches of the top two teams in SL set off without first team experience.
Brian Mcclennan's appointment as New Zealand national coach was one of the most controversial appointments in Rugby League, due to his lack of top level experience.
He didnt do too bad with the Kiwi's and hasnt fared too bad at Leeds either to be honest.
Given the choice of Brian Mcclennan, Harry Potter or Michael Mcguire, I would chose Michael Mcguire, as has experience at the very top club team in any form of Rugby League. Even his peers sing his praises.
I have been a knocker of Brian Noble, I gave my honest reasons for it too.
I honestly think a top assoistant coach from the NRL, like MM would be the person to bring on the young talent Wigan Warriors currently has.

McClennan and Potter both inherited quality sides, much as Noble did at Bradford.
It would require ineptitude beyond belief for Leeds to have finished outside the top two.
That side could effectively have been left without a coach and as long as they turned up for training would still have beaten most sides.
Maguire (if indeed it is he) is inheriting a side that isn't as good as Leeds and this will be a real test for him, especially as the chairman has had his wallet welded shut it seems.
If the new coach can get Wigan higher in the league and to win some trophies I will be thrilled, but I'm not expecting it next year.
Potter will struggle at snakes next year because his team is being pulled apart by age, and next season will be harder for him than this.

If it is McGuire, and I hope it is, I too wont expect miracles in one season.
We have reason to get better due to the quality of our younger players, and their ability to learn to step up to first grade.
It is the knowledge from what Michael Mcguire has learned at a very top team in NRL that excites me.
Craig Bellamy has already indicated that MM will be a big loss to the Storm and that he is ready to step up to first team coaching.
I cant see Mcguire staying in the UK for the whole of his coaching career, as I think he will want to return to Australia with a top coaching position.
If he does come, this can only be good for Wigan, as he will want success to enable his own career to progress.