Riddell

[medlocke]

:eusa16: No

[cpwigan]

Gutless However, to the best of my knowledge nobody has been anti Piggy and Roberts. Many have beeen negative regarding one or the other based on what they witnessed last season. Oddly having seen very few games and intimating that we should expect far better from both players you proceed to argue a very young player is not worth keeping based on the scantest of observations and somewhat hypocritically given that your argument re Piggy and Roberts applies to ever player, even moreso to the younmger players.

[highland convert]

Gutless However, to the best of my knowledge nobody has been anti Piggy and Roberts.

Now there is a statement.
Looks like I owe CP an apology. It is only his poor writing style giving of the wrong impression. There are as many threads on here running Riddell down because he replaced Higham and no bonus for guessing who started most of them.
He can put in a MOM performance and still get slated. If that does not qualify for being anti what does.
Hopefully the truth will out next year and the team will be a team in every respect but I think the bitterness expressed by certain posters will remain.
Jim

[weststand-rich]

Gutless However, to the best of my knowledge nobody has been anti Piggy and Roberts.

Now there is a statement.
Looks like I owe CP an apology. It is only his poor writing style giving of the wrong impression. There are as many threads on here running Riddell down because he replaced Higham and no bonus for guessing who started most of them.
He can put in a MOM performance and still get slated. If that does not qualify for being anti what does.
Hopefully the truth will out next year and the team will be a team in every respect but I think the bitterness expressed by certain posters will remain.
Jim

I can't recall a single MOM performance from him, but I did miss 2-3 games last year so I'm happy to be corrected.

He's had a few good games, a few indifferent and a few stinkers. In my humble opinion that is not good enough for a quota player in a key position. Therein lies the rub.

[jaws1]

For god's sake this site is going downhill fast it once was a forum where you could air your views and now it's degenerated into if you don't agree me i will slag you off forum.
A forum is for debate and putting your point of view across .I don't agree with with everything what's written on here but at the same time i don't pull other peoples postins down.
COME ON GUYS GET A GRIP AND GROW UP.

[DaveO]

Gutless However, to the best of my knowledge nobody has been anti Piggy and Roberts.

Now there is a statement.
Looks like I owe CP an apology. It is only his poor writing style giving of the wrong impression. There are as many threads on here running Riddell down because he replaced Higham and no bonus for guessing who started most of them.
He can put in a MOM performance and still get slated. If that does not qualify for being anti what does.
Hopefully the truth will out next year and the team will be a team in every respect but I think the bitterness expressed by certain posters will remain.
Jim

Jim it's posts like this that get you labelled as a "happy clapper". Especially statements like "...I think the bitterness expressed by certain posters will remain" that label's peoples reasons for criticizing the a player as something they are not IMO.

Also, as a previous post said I don't recall a single MoM performance from him and for that matter I don't recall many threads running Riddell down because he replaced Higham.

Riddell got stick because he was poor and for no other reason IMO. Were his performances compared to Higham's? Yes but there are plenty who still prefer him to Higham because they seem to dislike Higham. Why not have a go at them for their bitterness toward him? Would you be talking to yourself if you did ?

It's much better to remain objective and leave out all this bitterness nonsense and accept the vast majority of criticism players get on this site is because of how they perform and nothing more.

Dave

[piemanjohno]

id like to beleive that there are no wigan fans who are anti any player. However i beleive we put certain players down because we have our clubs best interest at heart and want to get back to winning ways.

[GeoffN]

I can't seem to get to the season summary of player ratings/MoM votes on here, but I'm pretty confident that Riddell would be down near the bottom of both - that's an overall view, and not just the result of one or two "anti-Riddell" members...

Personally I'd be delighted if he (and the other players widely regarded as underperforming) showed sufficient improvement to be worthy of a place in the team, but until then, all we have to go off is their performance so far.

[highland convert]

Geoff. if you go back through the posts on virtually every page during the season it became habit to trash player. Riddell took the brunt of it. I am sorry but I cannot see any player lift his game in that atmosphere. I am sure on a couple of occasions Riddell was nominated as a candidate for MOM. Whether he ever got the final vote I don't know. Maybe he is here as a cheap replacemnet for MH. We don't know his wages. Mathers was wasted by the WW fans. Any supporter who barracks their own player as he goes for a high bomb has to question his/her loyalties. I still maintain there is a wide margin between the harrassment the players receive on here and constructive criticism. I don't need to be a happy clapper to come to that conclussion. I do look for a win but I don't take an infantile strop when we loose.
Jim

[cpwigan]

Gutless However, to the best of my knowledge nobody has been anti Piggy and Roberts.

Now there is a statement.
Looks like I owe CP an apology. It is only his poor writing style giving of the wrong impression. There are as many threads on here running Riddell down because he replaced Higham and no bonus for guessing who started most of them.
He can put in a MOM performance and still get slated. If that does not qualify for being anti what does.
Hopefully the truth will out next year and the team will be a team in every respect but I think the bitterness expressed by certain posters will remain.
Jim

Find me a thread where I have criticised Roberts. In fact whilst you do that you will find threads where I have supported him. It is hard not to havwe some belief in him given his record. However, the form of Ainscough rightly caused fans to question Roberts.

I cannot praise Riddell because he arrived plying reserve to a teenage hooker, he arrived unfit, he could not train properly and did not want to play so the only reason you could blame Noble or IFL is is we knew who wanted him here. We do not know that so we cannot. Throughout the season his efforts let the team and fan downs. Eveb as the season progressed he could not play for 80 minutes. He left the country twice in the season and is now late arriving for pre season so fans logically question his attitude. Some fans have not forgotten his promises that he was going to coach young players when he arrived. It never happened.

In any team there will be players playing well and players not playing well. Fans well most are not blind to that nor do they or should they ignore it. Likewise nor should the coach. If Noble had selected teams based on form he would have got a lot more support from fans. He got plenty BTW.

However, what value is a fan that thinks no matter what his team does every player, every coach, every decision his club makes is wonderful.

Being a fan is a rollercoaster. Some good, some bad. Fans like to chew the cud so top speak but when others insist they are not allowed to say what they think then what is the point. I have never seen a fan hammered for saying something positive but I have seen fans villified for daring to say something negative.