cpwigan wrote:Dave, Ainsy had an absolute mare v Wire last seasonand he was nearly in tears by the end because yes his mistakes resulted in the majority of the points scored by wire so he lost us the game.
I am sorry but I simply do not accept this but even if it were true since when has one game been a reason to make a decision on a player especially when he was in fine form for all the other games he played? By this logic Roberts should have been on a plane home after the Wire semi-final.
You can't have it both ways.
Goulding was due to go on loan to Salford because rightly Madge wants players playing rather than sat in the stands and/or playing reserves.
Phelps injury chasnged that scenario.
I honestly think that if your defence is not up to scratch then Madge will not select you.
He selected Roberts who's defence was no better than Ainscough's last season and you are a big critic of Phepls defence so how do you explain that one?
DaveO wrote:
Why should Ainscough necessarily be automatic selection since Phelps' injury? Ainscough's form last season was excellent, but as people keep saying a new season means a clean slate, that means players who were poor last year AND players who were good.
Well it seems perfectly logical if we move a winger to play full back for Phelps we replace the winger with a winger.
Ainscough had his chance to impress Maguire like everyone else. The friendlies were the time to do it, and against Wakefield he was lively, he made a very good break running from right to left and looked dangerous, but Goulding played better overall and got 2 tries on the day.
Against Leigh Ainscough could have impressed, but instead he had a steady game, scored a try but to put it simply he 'did a job'. Charnley was the more impressive of the wingers in that game.
So all the players who impressed in the friendlies got picked and the ones that didn't, didn't? I don't thonk you will find that is strictly true.
Then he went out on loan on dual registration, so when Phelps picks up an injury Maguire goes with the player who scored the most in the friendlies and a player who played well in the under 20's game scoring 2 more tries.
It makes sense that Goulding would be next in line to play on the wing. His performances for Salford have shown that he can play wing. I don't understand what aspect of his game is missing for him not to be considered a winger?
Goulding played well against Wire, finished off a try, made a couple of decent breaks, and dealt with the high ball with more confidence than Ainscough. That means he's likely to start in the following game.
Of course Goulding can play wing. Gleeson can play wing as can a number of other players but Ainscough is a natural who has that something extra Goulding does not. Goulding's future is as a centre and is only playing wing as a stop gap.
When Cas were in need of a winger they enquire about Ainscough and he goes on loan to them for a month. If Goulding doesn't perform he loses his place although Phelps should return quite soon. If Ainscough shows he's in good form and we end up needing a winger after 1 month then Ainscough returns to the club.
And?
I honestly don't see where there is an
y issue with this? Surely it's exactly what was expected.
The issue is the opportunity arose to play Ainscough who most people were furious got dropped last season and putting him in the side at this time when it's on top of its game would be an ideal way to get him some SL game time. Instead we send him to Cas and leave it up to them to look after his interests.
If you're a winger a lot of the time you just need to be quick over short distances, be willing to back yourself and just have an instinct for scoring. That seems to be something Ainscough does have,....
I have fixed your typo.
If that is your justification for Goulding's selection on the wing because he isn't quick over the distance you have lost the argument.
This is actually Aiscoughs strength. His speed off the mark and his ability to finish tries is outstanding. He leaves Goulding - and Richards and Roberts - for dead in this respect. The try he scored v Saints a the DW was phenomenal.
Justifying Goulding over Ainscough because Goulding is good over the short distance is completely potty. Ainscough is the best player at the club in that department by a mile.
If he isn't quite cut out to be a winger he will get found out, but that's the same with every player in any position and as long as he performs well he has a right to be in the team.
We already know he's not an out and out winger. If he has a future with us it's at centre and he won't have long to wait in that department either because neither Gleeson or Carmont are spring chickens.
DaveO wrote:
He selected Roberts who's defence was no better than Ainscough's last season and you are a big critic of Phepls defence so how do you explain that one?
Dave
Quite simply, he's going on current form, not last season's.
DaveO wrote:
He selected Roberts who's defence was no better than Ainscough's last season and you are a big critic of Phepls defence so how do you explain that one?
Dave
Quite simply, he's going on current form, not last season's.
But that was not the reasoning CPW was applying. He has based his criticism on a game last season v Wire for Ainscough and said MM will not pick player who's defence is poor - and he thinks Phelps defence is poor, period. And Amos defence was crap in the semi last season.
If Phelps keeps up his start of season form when he returns and having the wingers we have (13 tries between them so far) it's hard to see ainscough break into the squad, let alone Goulding. His loan may be extended.
I must confess that I was a big fan of Ainscough last season, and one of the ones who were "furious" when he was dropped. I felt that the tries he scored justified far more game time than he was given and felt sorry for him when he was reduced to 'Water Carrier'!
Admittedly, his defence was less than perfect and call me blinkered, but I have always rated wingers for their attacking abilities. I can turn a blind eye to a winger who concedes a try if he crossed 3 times at the other end!
That said, I haven't seen him play this season so I have no idea if his performance is still the same.
I think we would all do well to reserve judgment until after tonights game and see how he performs. Assuming of course he is not left out under the 'Duty of Care' rule!!!!
Personally I cannot see anything but a good opportunity for Ainscough to show what he can do in Super League. If this leads to a recall and a first team place, what's the problem? If his form and performance are poor for Castleford, would/should he be included in Wigan's first team based on what he did last season?
Leave the complaining, bitterness and past history to our opponents.
ancientnloyal wrote:If Phelps keeps up his start of season form when he returns and having the wingers we have (13 tries between them so far) it's hard to see ainscough break into the squad, let alone Goulding. His loan may be extended.
Squad rotation. Josie seems convinced Feka was not dropped but rotated and as I have posted before about the squad generally we can't be sticking with the same 17 aka Noble each week. That is not what Maguire is about.
With Phelps fit again I think Goulding will move aside but that will not just be because Phelps will walk back into the team as he would under Noble. It will also be down to how Goulding has played and last night he wasn't very impressive IMO and caused a poor side few problems. I remain convinced we sent the wrong player out on loan.
