Gleeson, lack of professionalism, non/unfair reaction by fans !!!

[Shaun1967]

I couldn't care less what players do in their own time - as long as it doesn't affect their performance on the field (as long as it's legal).

Gleeson's form has suffered recently and this oddly seems to have coincided with him being dropped for breaking club discipline regarding drinking.

If he's not playing well then he should be concentrating on getting his form back and if that involves being tee-total for a while, then so be it.

If he had scored a hat-trick on Saturday; then no-one would have complained about him getting leathered afterwards.

Matthew,
Exactly the point some of us on here have been trying to make, however some have interpreted it as a witch-hunt.

[cpwigan]

How can somebody say it's no big deal missing a tackle that Gleeson is expected to make. He did the same the previous week too. So since he was disciplined his standards on the field as well as off it have dropped significantly.

I lol @ witchunt and players will leave claim. Yea right. The other day I was watching a clip of Andrew Farrar. How unpopular was he replacing Gene Miles but IIRC the Championship was on the line v Saints, conditions were bad, worse than last weekend and he put Kevin Ward on his backside a yard from the line. 'Players earn their money' with tackles and by doing the tough unglamarous stuff.

More players have suffered because of alcohol than the odd player trotted out as some false justification that it is OK for professional sportsmen to consume alcohol. It isn't and shouldn't be. That was part of the message that transformed Wigan in the mid 80's and it saved/changed some players careers such as Jason Robinson.

[DaveO]

More players have suffered because of alcohol than the odd player trotted out as some false justification that it is OK for professional sportsmen to consume alcohol. It isn't and shouldn't be. That was part of the message that transformed Wigan in the mid 80's and it saved/changed some players careers such as Jason Robinson.

Betts was another tea-totaller (certainly on his first time round at Wigan).

The more enlightened athletes consume very little or no alcohol because they can literally feel how it affects them from a fitness and training point of view.

I like a beer and a drop of vino myself and even I can tell the difference going to the gym after a weekend where more than average was consumed. Everybody who drinks and does exercise knows this who is older than about 21.

Imagine how it must affect a the highly tuned bodies of RL players especially ones at the wrong end of their careers?

Older players like Gleeson will suffer more and longer after effects so if he wants to be a top player for longer it's in his interests to cut out on the beers. He will have plenty of time to enjoy a pint when his career is over in the not too distant future.

I hope this discipline dished out has concentrated his mind because he was looking good early this season and we need him to be that good now.

Dave

[exile in Tiger country]

Surely a highly trained athlete will get over such things much quicker than your average person?
They seem to get over injuries quicker than most.

[gillysmyhero]

1 connelly piss head
2 renouf didnt train or did very very little

but both performed

glees might be having a bit a bad patch at home or something but we are top of league at mo we will have 3 players on england duty game after next, IMO glees will be back on form and stand up and be counted.

he missed a tackle in the 80th min its not end of world, after playing a really tough match in hard condtions, if u see it again he does grab smith and goes low smith does break/slip through. he stepped aswell. it was a hard tackle in hard condions all those things together as well as luck and not completing led to leeds being where they was,

glees was just the man who was there, had he scored the winner up other end this thread would not exist nor would it exist had the missed tackler been lockers or pat or prob anyone else

No your right missing that tackle is not the end of the world,just the end of our challange cup run for this year thats all.
Give him a break i think we did that by signing him on a big contract,because warrington wanted to get rid of him for the same reasons he got dropped by Madge.Wasnt he also involved in the Sean long getting sent home from the GB tour incident.
Oh yes and he is no longer considerd good enough to play for his country any more at the age of 29.He is a good playe with a bad attitude IMO. Thats why he's been allowed to leave every club he's played for.

[shawxshark]

1 connelly piss head
2 renouf didnt train or did very very little

but both performed

glees might be having a bit a bad patch at home or something but we are top of league at mo we will have 3 players on england duty game after next, IMO glees will be back on form and stand up and be counted.

he missed a tackle in the 80th min its not end of world, after playing a really tough match in hard condtions, if u see it again he does grab smith and goes low smith does break/slip through. he stepped aswell. it was a hard tackle in hard condions all those things together as well as luck and not completing led to leeds being where they was,

glees was just the man who was there, had he scored the winner up other end this thread would not exist nor would it exist had the missed tackler been lockers or pat or prob anyone else

No your right missing that tackle is not the end of the world,just the end of our challange cup run for this year thats all.
Give him a break i think we did that by signing him on a big contract,because warrington wanted to get rid of him for the same reasons he got dropped by Madge.Wasnt he also involved in the Sean long getting sent home from the GB tour incident.
Oh yes and he is no longer considerd good enough to play for his country any more at the age of 29.He is a good playe with a bad attitude IMO. Thats why he's been allowed to leave every club he's played for.

So were out of challenge cup, we lost a very hard tight game, which could of gone either way GET OVER IT,

more fool wigan warroirs for signing him if it was well known he likes a beer [and a flutter].for me i'd replace him with marsh anytime

[Susi]

Having read over this thread again, i am not disputing glees avin a beer, as i said mr connerly could really drink (not a p head as shaw shark says i wont allow that he was always very polite and a gentleman when ever we saw him and at many rugby do's he did spend a long time at bar, however he always performed well the next day).
Glees may well have a drop in form so simple drop him for a bit play goulding who can be bothered to train, give glees a tighter training regime and see him improve then play him.
After all we all have turned into work worse for wear at sometime.

[Matthew]

Surely a highly trained athlete will get over such things much quicker than your average person?
They seem to get over injuries quicker than most.

A highly conditioned athlete will recover quicker than Joe Average; but it will still take time and that means they will not be able to train as hard due to dehydration and the time it takes for your liver to flush all of the toxins out of your system etc.

Also don't forget that we're not talking about a cheeky 10K run on a Sunday afternoon here - we're talking about playing the most demanding cardiovascular sport around. So if you've ever been for a run the day after a night out on the beers you'll know the sluggish feeling you have. Well you can multiply that by about 10 if you are trying to work at your maximum cardio rate.

[DaveO]

Surely a highly trained athlete will get over such things much quicker than your average person?

No, it can in fact be the opposite. They get their bodies honed to perfection and than go an introduce what is basically a kind of low grade poison and it hits home.

It's a bit like the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

It doesn't take a lot of abuse to the body of someone who trains really hard for it to affect them in a big way. They could still run rings round you and me but they can't keep it going against top opposition.

Dave

[MrDave]

Surely a highly trained athlete will get over such things much quicker than your average person?

No, it can in fact be the opposite. They get their bodies honed to perfection and than go an introduce what is basically a kind of low grade poison and it hits home.

It's a bit like the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

It doesn't take a lot of abuse to the body of someone who trains really hard for it to affect them in a big way. They could still run rings round you and me but they can't keep it going against top opposition.

Dave

This is very true, just think how long it takes a normal person to recover to an acceptable state and then think how long it would take for that person to recover enough to train for or play a physically demanding sport.