Matty Bowen

[platt-warrior]

Agreed PM

[Wes]

Lol like I said hes in the top 3 in both positions and we are fortunate to have him in our team.

I can see and understand arguments for both positions, I also am not too analytical regarding his position so long as hes on the pitch

He is certainly a magic player who when needed can make/score out of nothing and there aint many of them around at the moment including the NRL.

[Panchitta Marra]

Lol like I said hes in the top 3 in both positions and we are fortunate to have him in our team.

I can see and understand arguments for both positions, I also am not too analytical regarding his position so long as hes on the pitch

He is certainly a magic player who when needed can make/score out of nothing and there aint many of them around at the moment including the NRL.

Good point 28wes29.
Hyperthetically, and if we reverse the situation slightly and say that Brett Hodgson has just signed for us, who would you play at full back and who would you play at 6.
Irrespective of all this, personally I would play Sam at 6 every time, as I think he is more effective from that position.
Just my opinion though.

[Wes]

I think he has a different effect in the 2 positions.

At FB he will make line breaks in all types of play score lots and assist lots.

At 6 he organises excellent has a good kicking game and can break the line in broken play.

Defensively Im sure 6 would take the most out of him.

Teams can target him in different ways just as much in each defencive position.

Its a hard call, IMO I think when we have a full team he is better at fullback he gives us an extra 2-3rd phase in attack, when we are and where struggling for numbers he was wasted because he couldnt get the ball and was better suited at 6.

Food for thought regardless where he plays he only gets his opportunities when our forwards are laying the platform.

I think the perfect solution would be to have 2 Sam Tomkins

[Wes]

Sorry Morph disagree with that, when he plays at stand off he looks like a traditional stand off, a little smaller in size perhaps but plays like one, he controls the game, organises, runs at the line, puts on set plays, has a good kicking game and defends above his weight.

At FB I think he is 1 of the few we have who IMO is evolving with the position. No longer are the days of a full back just being the last line of defence and putting in kick returns.

An old school example of a fullback is Wellens. The new breed of full back is really having a 2nd stand off 5/8 on the pitch to attack and organise out wide as well as being the last line of defence and putting in the kick returns. Sam is showing he can do both positions very well indeed.

IMO Brent Webb was one of the first full backs in SL to play FB in this new way, Brett Hodgson is pretty good at it too, Luke Dorn, Brett Kearney and Patten along side our very own Sam Tomkins are the only others that spring to mind in SL.

Leon Price would be better suited to playing FB in this capacity, but wont as long as Wellens is in the same team.
Now I suppose the question is, is it better to have a new breed FB or an old school FB??????

[Panchitta Marra]

Sorry Morph disagree with that, when he plays at stand off he looks like a traditional stand off, a little smaller in size perhaps but plays like one, he controls the game, organises, runs at the line, puts on set plays, has a good kicking game and defends above his weight.

At FB I think he is 1 of the few we have who IMO is evolving with the position. No longer are the days of a full back just being the last line of defence and putting in kick returns.

An old school example of a fullback is Wellens. The new breed of full back is really having a 2nd stand off 5/8 on the pitch to attack and organise out wide as well as being the last line of defence and putting in the kick returns. Sam is showing he can do both positions very well indeed.

IMO Brent Webb was one of the first full backs in SL to play FB in this new way, Brett Hodgson is pretty good at it too, Luke Dorn, Brett Kearney and Patten along side our very own Sam Tomkins are the only others that spring to mind in SL.

Leon Price would be better suited to playing FB in this capacity, but wont as long as Wellens is in the same team.Now I suppose the question is, is it better to have a new breed FB or an old school FB??????

Been saying the same to the Stainers in my house for ages now.
Wellens has slowed down dramatically and personally I think he would be an ideal Loose Forward.

[Wes]

Hahaha PM do you live with Stainers too, my fiancee and her famile are Stainers and Im sick of telling them Price is a FB not a 6 and Wellens has past his sell buy. Granted Wellens still has the safest hands bar none probably in the world but its everything else now, I would even put him in at centre and let Soliola stay at 2nd row but hey what do I know Im the only 1 from day 1 that told them Eastmond has no heart and wont make it and Wheeler was better, did they believe me, they do now!

[Panchitta Marra]

Hahaha PM do you live with Stainers too, my fiancee and her famile are Stainers and Im sick of telling them Price is a FB not a 6 and Wellens has past his sell buy. Granted Wellens still has the safest hands bar none probably in the world but its everything else now, I would even put him in at centre and let Soliola stay at 2nd row but hey what do I know Im the only 1 from day 1 that told them Eastmond has no heart and wont make it and Wheeler was better, did they believe me, they do now!

Tarred with the same brush.
4 of them in total, all grown up and are my Mrs kids.

I also have 2 girls of my own, younger, and were on the way to being Stains fans too, being impressed upon by others if you catch my drift.
Took mine down to Wigan v Les Cats game 3 seasons ago and took them into the Wigan shop to buy them a shirt each and they just wouldnt have it.
Luckily we were invited into the South stand bar after the game by Barbara and Keith Thompson & Josie. They got their photo's taken with Sam, Tommy & Amos. They couldnt wait to get back into the Wigan shop for a shirt and now they pester me to take them to every game. Its brilliant with the banter in the house when my kids come up, as they stick up for their corner and then give it some. Its awesome.

[yoda warrior]

I think we are in the fortunate position that he can play both and be in the top 3 in SL in either position.

Dave who is better than him in Super League as a full back?
He offers benefits in both positions but IMO he is a better weapon at full back when we have the luxury of a full team.

When we where struggling for injuries earlier in the season he offered more organising us and pushing us around the park.

He is playing at full back remember and he is leading the table in both try assists and line breaks, he could give us that at 6.

Brett Hodgson (Warrington Wolves) a 33 year old natural full back, not a half back, forced into playing at No 1.

Hodgson was never a full back as a junior. He got pushed there in his early years as a pro.

[Panchitta Marra]

I think we are in the fortunate position that he can play both and be in the top 3 in SL in either position.

Dave who is better than him in Super League as a full back?
He offers benefits in both positions but IMO he is a better weapon at full back when we have the luxury of a full team.

When we where struggling for injuries earlier in the season he offered more organising us and pushing us around the park.

He is playing at full back remember and he is leading the table in both try assists and line breaks, he could give us that at 6.

Brett Hodgson (Warrington Wolves) a 33 year old natural full back, not a half back, forced into playing at No 1.

Hodgson was never a full back as a junior. He got pushed there in his early years as a pro.

Thanks Yoda, I didnt know that and from what your saying I guess Hodgson has played full back most of his career.
He seems more natural at 1, is where I am coming from, more comfortable under the high ball than Sam and possibly with better positional sense when defending.