An absolute bl**dy disgrace

[heydude]

these incidents millward has done (ie the weakened team at bradford or the one that he did at leigh where he changed the team an hour before the game) there was nothing in the rule book to stop him doing it at the time, he just saw an opportunity all it was down to was poor sportsmanship and truthfully i didn't like what he did, but he was looking for an advantage for his team and at the time he wasn't breaking any rules was he.

[Mike]

Doveoverdave posted:
Robinson, Briscoe and Hodgeson would waltz into our squad as well. What greater indicment of the recruiting /retention policy can there be.

I can't recall anyone on this board maoning about Dodgy Hodgy being released by the club. I defended him for almost the whole of last season,. but by the end I thought it was time to let him go.

Not every descision made has been a bad one (but mnay have). However, I would hope IM may have more of an influence on the squad than some of his predesesors. Although, when it came to Gleeson at Saints, he didn't and his reaction probably cost him his job in the end. Maurice like to have his own way on player recruitment, so I would expect run-ins between MO and IM in the future. :conf:

[DaveO]

heydude posted:
these incidents millward has done (ie the weakened team at bradford or the one that he did at leigh where he changed the team an hour before the game) there was nothing in the rule book to stop him doing it at the time, he just saw an opportunity all it was down to was poor sportsmanship and truthfully i didn't like what he did, but he was looking for an advantage for his team and at the time he wasn't breaking any rules was he.

Don't start making excuses for him already.

Your post could have been lifted from a Saints message board at the time.

Just because you can do somethig doesn't mean you should.

Dave

[DaveO]

Doveoverdave posted:
Robinson, Briscoe and Hodgeson would waltz into our squad as well. What greater indicment of the recruiting /retention policy can there be.

Well since you are not correct that thay could waltz into our squad I don't see a great problem with the retention policy at all. We have retained Hock, O'Loughlin and have just given Hansen a two year deal. We can't keep them all.

If you think Robinson could do better than Moran with out pack you are mistaken, Briscoe would have to displace Radlinski to waltz in the squad which would not happen and Hodgson wouldn't displace either of the first two choices of centre or winger either.

Dave

[GeoffN]

Doveoverdave posted:

the gimble posted:

Forgot to mention in my rather large post that im also happy Denis stays. We now have a good coaching team and still have continuity

Are you hoping that the coaching of the team continues in the vein? Surely not.

We did pretty well when MG was in charge, with Denis as assistant.

[Doveoverdave]

DaveO posted:

Doveoverdave posted:
Robinson, Briscoe and Hodgeson would waltz into our squad as well. What greater indicment of the recruiting /retention policy can there be.

Well since you are not correct that thay could waltz into our squad I don't see a great problem with the retention policy at all. We have retained Hock, O'Loughlin and have just given Hansen a two year deal. We can't keep them all.

If you think Robinson could do better than Moran with out pack you are mistaken, Briscoe would have to displace Radlinski to waltz in the squad which would not happen and Hodgson wouldn't displace either of the first two choices of centre or winger either.

Dave

IMO Rads should have moved to centre as this is just about the weakest of all areas in the team and he's played there before. The team lost nothing with Briscoe at FB when Rads was injured.

Hodgeson's back in the GB set up somewhere Aspy will never be.

Robbo was a junior taking up v. little cap money. Moran is taking big money from the club and an overseas slot - who is the best player is debateable who is the best value is not.

[DaveO]

Doveoverdave posted:

DaveO posted:

Doveoverdave posted:
Robinson, Briscoe and Hodgeson would waltz into our squad as well. What greater indicment of the recruiting /retention policy can there be.

Well since you are not correct that thay could waltz into our squad I don't see a great problem with the retention policy at all. We have retained Hock, O'Loughlin and have just given Hansen a two year deal. We can't keep them all.

If you think Robinson could do better than Moran with out pack you are mistaken, Briscoe would have to displace Radlinski to waltz in the squad which would not happen and Hodgson wouldn't displace either of the first two choices of centre or winger either.

Dave

IMO Rads should have moved to centre as this is just about the weakest of all areas in the team and he's played there before.

And was quite ineffective.

The team lost nothing with Briscoe at FB when Rads was injured.

I am sorry but I think your memeory is failing you. The longer he played in the first team the more his frailties were exposed. At the time there were calls for us to even get rid of Rads because of how well Briscoe was doing to save money on the salary cap. These calls began to dry up as time went on.

When Rads returned the difference between him and Briacoe was like night and day and that was on Rads first game back! I remember the debate about all this on rlfans clearly. Not a dicky bird was posted by those who had been calling for us to get rid of Rads after his first game back as they had been proved very wrong. The silence was deafening.

Hodgeson's back in the GB set up somewhere Aspy will never be.

Robbo was a junior taking up v. little cap money. Moran is taking big money from the club and an overseas slot - who is the best player is debateable who is the best value is not.

Hodgeson was a player too many for the squad and Wigan had to make a decision as to who to keep and to who to let go. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but even with hindsight Hodgeson might well be in the train on squad but has as much chance of playing for GB as Aspinwall.

As to Robinson he certainly wasn't good enough based on his performances at scrum half to command the starting scrum half slot and we have James Coyle coming through, so again the club had a choice to make. It signed an experienced scrum half and kept a one of two promising youngsters. It is only hindsight that lets you say Moran is poor value but it will be interesting to see what happens now Millward is in charge and if Moran sinks further or swims.

Basically like a lot of decisions the club will make at the time they make them they can easily be justified and it is easy to critiscise them with the benefit of hindsight. In the case of these three players I don't even think that critisism is justified with the benefit of hindsight.

Dave

[Doveoverdave]

Yes hindsight is a wonderful thing and is always 20/20!

However the movers and shakers at the club have been poor over recent years regarding the release and retention of the youngsters IMO.

I know I'm raking old coals, but to let Long go as a make weight in a deal for a journey man prop to Widnes was a disaster, and I for one think that one or two of the released players may return to haunt us once again.

[DaveO]

Doveoverdave posted:
Yes hindsight is a wonderful thing and is always 20/20!

However the movers and shakers at the club have been poor over recent years regarding the release and retention of the youngsters IMO.

I know I'm raking old coals, but to let Long go as a make weight in a deal for a journey man prop to Widnes was a disaster, and I for one think that one or two of the released players may return to haunt us once again.

Wasn't Long let go due to some sort of fall out with the club (as was rumoured with Luke Robinson)?

The current rumour is Long might be on his way back following Millward.

What do you think about that? I reckon Long is past it myself and we are better seeing how Moran fares under Millward and if he still can't cut the mustard look elsewhere then.

Dave

[Pedro the Exile]

Pity you won't be going again as you might see some decent,organised,creative rugby being played for the first time for a long time.!
Comeon,it's no brainer,particularly after Fridays shambles.That was the "best(sic)"team we are likely to put out all season and it was painfully obvious that they had no leadership,game plan or confidence and no amount of ranting by Dennis was going to make any difference.At the same time you have arguably the most successfull coach in superleague looking for a job.
As for "respect"-give me a break.I'd be more worried if he'd shown us any at all-and I don't expect him o show Stains any either.
My only concern is that he was unlikely to have a better offer this season so why have we given him a 3 year contract-surely better to say,give him this season & the next with an option for us to renew.