The Hock Influence

[weststand-rich]

Perfect. This is what the internet was made for. Digressions and random pet rants.

BTW did anybody notice that Hock played on Saturday?

[exile in Tiger country]

Perfect. This is what the internet was made for. Digressions and random pet rants.

BTW did anybody notice that Hock played on Saturday?

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That made I larf!!

[Panchitta Marra]

If you're going to nitpick, allow me to join in.

The correct spelling is actually naïve (with dieresis over the "i" to indicate separate vowel pronunciation)!

Oooooooooh get you KW!

Well I hadn't got diaeresis & as we are not in France (thank God) I don't think it actually matters BTW you missed the 'a' out of diaeresis

Naive is a French loanword, an adjective which means having or showing a lack of experience, understanding or sophistication; in early use, it meant natural or innocent, and did not connote ineptitude. As a French word, quoted in English, it is italicized and spelled naïve or naïf (French adjectives have grammatical gender; naïf is used with masculine nouns); the dots above the i are a diaeresis (see also Ï). As an unitalicized English word, "naive" is now the more usual spelling,[1] although "naïve" is unidiomatic rather than incorrect; "naif" often represents the French masculine, but has a secondary meaning as an artistic style. "Naive" is now normally pronounced as two syllables, with the stress on the second, in the French manner.
The noun form can be written naivety, naïvety, naïveté, naïvete, or naiveté.

Take that & party

Oh its just like being back at school Josie

[the winky one]

I need a spullchocker Josie.

To be fair to the players and Hocky they all did seem genuinely pleased when he came on the pitch, so I do actually believe the players sentiments here. But I know that when he was banned a specific player was not impressed. He thought Hock had let them all down, dropped them in the sh*te at a key point in the season and was trouble. Do you read, or are you likely to read a player from our team making a quoted comment like that? No. Because it deviates from the clubs position which is to concede and move on.

What aggrevates me beyond belief is the constant ghost-written nothingness that gets spouted out as press releses from sports clubs. Wigan are no worse than any other club, but the bland vanilla, fencesitting of media-trained players hitting straight bats gets me down. Watch an end of match interview? Find one without the phrases:

- The lads worked hard in training all week
- We dug deep
- We showed a lot of character
- (For aussies) I'm just loving my footie at the minute.

Take this from Man Utd when Wayne Rooney told the TV cameras to F off:

Speaking to ManUtd.com, Wayne said: "I want to apologise for any offence that may have been caused by my goal celebration, especially to any parents or children that were watching.

"Emotions were running high and on reflection my heat of the moment reaction was inappropriate, it was not aimed at anyone in particular."

It's meaningless. He doesn't speak like that, doesn't have the vocabulary and was obviuously written by someone in the PR office. He can barely read half of it let alone write any of it.

I rarely take any notice of what the media say,even if you refuse to speak to them they almost always write a story anyway...you know the "a source close to the player told us"route? And if, come an important match, Gareth hock scores the deciding try that wins us a cup,are Wigan likely to refuse the trophy because of what has happened?.
No and neither would any of the fans want that, I'm sure he would be treated like a God and all will be forgiven:eusa15:

[Dobby]

I am always very wary of these types of quotes that appear in the papers and I wouldnt read too much into them. They often bare little similarity to what a person actually says and are usually just a series of answers that are jumbled together from questions that a journalists has asked. I imagine questions such as, did Hock lift the team when he came on? Has he been training well? Is he going to be an asset to the team? etc where asked. One sentence or even one word answers were probably given but when you put it all together, with a little creative journalism to make it all flow, then it looks a lot more powerful than what was actually said.

[DaveO]

TBW, surely you are not this nieve?? The Wigan players in interview very rarely have anything to say that actually amounts to anything more than platitudes. The devil in the detail is what they don't say or ommit that's more revealing.

The club take exactly the view I've highlighted above when it comes to dealing with fans as a collective entity. The club may like to present the fans to themselves as key stakeholders with an important role to play in the clubs sucess. And this is true in large part, but the club also views the fans as a partisan, unreasonable and difficult income stream that needs to be very closely managed.

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[TrueBlueWarrior]

TBW, surely you are not this nieve?? The Wigan players in interview very rarely have anything to say that actually amounts to anything more than platitudes. The devil in the detail is what they don't say or ommit that's more revealing.

The club take exactly the view I've highlighted above when it comes to dealing with fans as a collective entity. The club may like to present the fans to themselves as key stakeholders with an important role to play in the clubs sucess. And this is true in large part, but the club also views the fans as a partisan, unreasonable and difficult income stream that needs to be very closely managed.

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DaveO if you bothered to read my reply to WR it is clear to see what I was saying was far from naive. On the other hand your post on another thread trying to compare the Hock and Gleeson situation is definately naive!