Riots

[gpartin]

It's very easy to pass judgment on people but when there's no jobs, people being made unemployed all the time being called lazy and demonized by the papers and then the government picks the worst possible time to make people put money out of their JSA towards the cost of their housing and forcing people onto the streets (will happen in the capital and in other places from next month) I can understand that people are gonna be diagruntled. However, attacking houses, cars and businesses is clearly not demonstrating in order to make a point it's pure and simple vandalism. It does however seem coincidental that these things always seem to happen when the tories are in and their 'cuts programme' has hardly been stimulating the economy but getting up people's noses. Funny to see so many papers saying that the weak growth figures we've seen are down to 'one off events' and how the Tories are already blaming a worldwide crisis for yet to be released figures which will show the economy has at best remained flat. Funny how the worldwide economic crisis was only a minor thing to the tories when Labour were in power. I wonder if Teresa scumbag May will reconsider the ridiculous cuts to police forces on the back of this and more legitimate shows of dis-satisfaction?

[cpwigan]

Gaz I must confess I was smiling in a sarcastic way watching Vince Cable whom I loathe spouting the same global crisis is to blame reasoning when as you say when not in Government both the Torys and Lib Dems attacked Labour for saying it was a global crisis.

I actually find myself despising the Lib dems even more than the Torys these days.

[cpwigan]

Cherry I had just read this from Hazel Blears who I am not keen on anyway;

This behaviour is just mindless and pointless” Hazel Blears Eccles Labour MP

Which is identical to the usual Tory response.

[gpartin]

Its an absolute joke bud, the thing is Tories are Tories and everyone knows what to expect. Lib Dems are a mish mash of oddballs, disgruntled ex Labour members who criticize everything, and absolutely vile scum from working class backgrounds who've done well for themselves and got good jobs so think everyone else can. The latter are the most vocal and active part of the current incarnation of 'Liberals' in this country and they are, in my eyes, far more despicable than Tories because they have first hand experience of poverty but don't give a stuff because they're alright. There's still an element within the Lib Dem party who genuinely want to make a difference but it's been swallowed up because in order to get anywhere within the party and now within government they need to spout the same crap as the Tories they're in cahoots with at the moment. Greg Mulholland the LD MP for the area I work in in north Leeds is one of the nicest blokes I've ever met and has stood against the government a few times but unfortunately he's in a minority. Vince Cable is a pathetic quivering turd.

[cpwigan]

There is a difficult balance to strike re politicians but Labour and to be fair all politicians need to avoid ridiculous OTT condemnation and threats. There are ways and means.

lol well the internet has its share of idiots 9the RL fans poster) BUT perhaps we are all to blame.

I still find it ironic that our politicians embrace and encourage civil disorder anywhere else in the world but the moment it happens in their own backyard they take the opposite stance. Interestingly, our politicians also treat rioting differently in Ireland too. The initial spark (the murder/killing of a person)for this riot would have led to trouble in Ireland too if it happened there BUT the response of our politicians would have been very different.

[gpartin]

Funnily enough I'm no big fan of the Torygraph but this is an excellent article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... s-out.html


"One of the most tragic aspects of London’s meltdowns is that we need this ruined generation if Britain is ever to feel prosperous and safe again. If there are no jobs for today’s malcontents and no means to exploit their skills, then the UK is in graver trouble than it thinks. Mr Osborne may congratulate himself on his prudence, but retrenchment also bears a social cost. We are seeing just how steep that price may be."

[i'm spartacus]

I can't see any of the party political points here that attempt to blame the current government or their policies.

First, most, if not all, of the rioters/looters have not reached the age of majority and have absolutely no idea about socioeconomic factors, in the most part because they are still at school and on the summer holidays. The so called discontent is in fact a lack of respect for authority brought about by a total lack of discipline these young people have experienced during their short lives. It is violent disorder, perpetrated by people intent on causing damage, motivated by personal gain, and is just plain and simple mob criminality.

Secondly, it is far to easy to blame 'tory cuts', when in fact the country was left bankrupt by the last administration. If the problems are caused by a lack of money brought about by cuts, and I don't believe for one minute they are; then the problems would be a culmination of factors brought about by successive governments.

It would be fair to say that the last administration didn't cause a world wide recession. However, it was responsible for the national bank account when the going was good, it sold of the gold reserves when the price was at an all time low, and they expanded non productive public sector jobs to a level that is unsustainable. Fact is, Labour governments are no good at sums; they never have been. They left the country bankrupt in 1978, they left government again with the finances in a mess, and someone has to clear it up, however unpopular that may be. You cannot spend money you do not have, and any good debt adviser will tell you, when your in the red and in debt, cut out anything that you cannot afford. Plain and simple maths.

[cpwigan]

I can't see any of the party political points here that attempt to blame the current government or their policies.

First, most, if not all, of the rioters/looters have not reached the age of majority and have absolutely no idea about socioeconomic factors, in the most part because they are still at school and on the summer holidays. The so called discontent is in fact a lack of respect for authority brought about by a total lack of discipline these young people have experienced during their short lives. It is violent disorder, perpetrated by people intent on causing damage, motivated by personal gain, and is just plain and simple mob criminality.

Secondly, it is far to easy to blame 'tory cuts', when in fact the country was left bankrupt by the last administration. If the problems are caused by a lack of money brought about by cuts, and I don't believe for one minute they are; then the problems would be a culmination of factors brought about by successive governments.

It would be fair to say that the last administration didn't cause a world wide recession. However, it was responsible for the national bank account when the going was good, it sold of the gold reserves when the price was at an all time low, and they expanded non productive public sector jobs to a level that is unsustainable. Fact is, Labour governments are no good at sums; they never have been. They left the country bankrupt in 1978, they left government again with the finances in a mess, and someone has to clear it up, however unpopular that may be. You cannot spend money you do not have, and any good debt adviser will tell you, when your in the red and in debt, cut out anything that you cannot afford. Plain and simple maths.

Your not trying to score political points are you

Looting is stealing is it not. Perhaps ALL politicians (I.E collectively) were the role model when they stole money from us all with their expenses looting.

If you believe in tough law and order then why are you not campaigning against the police cuts and redundancies, why are you not campaigning against schools being fined when they want to deal with unruly youths.

Debt? Anybody got a mortgage? Your debt rant is rhetoric. Why? because politicians are entrusted to spend OUR money wisely, to use it productively and even when they don't we sit back and do nothing. OUR money is often wasted bu all politicians.

If the police wrongly or controversially shoot/murder somebody in Ireland what happens? err riots, even bombs. It triggers of the creation of terrorists, real killers. People from completely different parts of Ireland often react. Not much different than here is it.

You are a politicians dream because they can spout their rhetoric and then return to screwing up OUR country.

Rioters just like people attending a RL: match are not clones all doing something for the same identical reason are they? Exactly, looting takes place by some rioters at ANY event in history. Did some NOT ALL students loot earlier in the year, did some NOT ALL anti poll tax rioters loot.

There is no single reason for anything but there are always reasons and ignoring them and not adressing them makes these things happen again and again and again.

[Wigan_forever1985]

Sorry but there is one cause for this and its nothing to do with poverty or mis-education or anything its all to do with the fact that the kids of today know no consequences to their actions. They have grown up feeling invincible.

Parents arent allowed to smack kids, teachers arent allowed to do anything either and then the police have their hands tied by loads of red tape.

We bred these monsters with soft punishments and namby pamby human rights etc.

When i was younger you respected the chain-o-command you didnt shout abuse at people becuase there was a chance they'd give you a good hiding!.

Nowadays they know the only person who will get reprimanded in that situation in the abused. I watched a program where a guy was terroised by a group of youths, they smashed his windows let his tyres down taunted him, it went on for months and he kept reporting it reporting it and police would come move them on and leave. Eventually he got tired of it hired a white van and got a few mates. they lobs the youths in the back of the van and told them they were going to kill them (bear in mind this was to scare them not to actually do it), he drove them round the block a few times before dropping them off at the police station where he was arrested with kidnapping.

The whole system is designed to protect the criminal and all the bullshit about "oh you cant let the police have powers to harm thats not right" bullshit thats dead right let them smash the little shits up im sick to death of the scum ruling the streets.

They interviewed one of the scroats last night on sky and it summed it up with one question when the interviewer said "why are you doing this?" his response was simple "cos i can, police cant do nothing can they!"

That mentallity is whats caused this i hope all these hippy love and peace and health safety and equallity and diversity and all the other crap namby pamby stuff feel guilty.

This country has gone to rat shit because your given every excuse not to take account for your own actions!, its always someone elses fault, well guess what it aint someone elses fault its YOUR fault! and YOU should be punished!

[AdamMac]

Best thing I've seen since all this rioting started!

http://i.imgur.com/JCQWV.gif