OH MY GOD IT"S NOT THAT BAD!!!!!!

[Kiwiseddon]

My point is that since the defeat to Saints, there is a feeling like there's nothing else to play for and we're analysing every last detail like we have a right to be the best. Well we don't.

What people feel they have a right to is not to be short changed in the play offs. Not to be the best but for the team to play as they know it is capable of. Not seemingly to have decided the CC was enough and give up.

WE ARE A GOOD TEAM WITH LOADS TO LOOK FORWARD TO!!! WE HAVE NO DIVINE RIGHT TO WIN ANYTHING AND WE SHOULD REJOICE IN THE SUCCESS WE'VE HAD RECENTLY!!!

I was waiting for the "...we don't have a divine right.." post to appear. No one thinks we have a divine right to win anything. I mean no one. And the fact we don't is not what people are unhappy about.

I suppose I see your point about being short changed in the play offs but I don't think the team have given up. I think the reason we're slipping is simpler than that. The team certainly aren't playing as well as they have but it's not down to their attitude. It's down to it being a long and tough season where we've played more matches than anyone else. Injuries are starting to show and Gaz H getting himself banned didn't help.
The point of my original post was that after the Saints game there was a feeling of disaster on the forum which was a supernova where a candle would have done. We had a right to be concerned but we're still very much in the playoffs and if we lose to Les Cats....well so be it. It's still been a successful season.

And I do think there are people who believe in the Wigan divine right to win everything. I have heard people arguing black's white to prove how Wigan have been unjustly dealt to. Arguments like reffing decisions or that the RFL actually have a vendetta to make us lose or that they're "scared of us doing well" as someone posted. This to me is people with multiple pairs of cherry and white tinted spectacles on, who are not interested in any other opinion or fact unless it is in the favour of Wigan RL. I've heard people argue that Mossop's pass to Lima in the CC wasn't forward. This amuses me as I see it as nothing more than passionate fans BUT there is a feeling from them that we have some divine right to win, regardless of little matters like....the rules?!

[KOOCH]

JESUS! OK we've started to slow down come the end of the season and we're not at our best but since Stains beat us it's like the world has ended.
1. The game's corrupt.
2. Gaz Hock is a distaster.
3. We have the slowest back line.
4. The attendance is awful.
5. Sam's below par.
6 The RFL are scared of us doing well??

This is just a snap shot of the 'Web Warriors' forum and since we lost to Saints it's like the world has fallen over.

WE'RE FINE!!!!!!! We're just not quite as good as last season and I'm sick of the pessimism. Anyone would have thought that we've real problems and we don't.

I would really like us to win everything this season but it's unlikely and we don't have a divine right.

My point is that since the defeat to Saints, there is a feeling like there's nothing else to play for and we're analysing every last detail like we have a right to be the best. Well we don't. Please can we embrace the last two years like they are the massive success they have been rather than being down right miserable about the fact that we've been below par for a few weeks. If we win nothing else we've been successful and the misery on this forum is starting to become boring.

WE ARE A GOOD TEAM WITH LOADS TO LOOK FORWARD TO!!! WE HAVE NO DIVINE RIGHT TO WIN ANYTHING AND WE SHOULD REJOICE IN THE SUCCESS WE'VE HAD RECENTLY!!!

Rant over..........

Well said kiwiseddon! Decided to keep stum over the last few days in order that I do not offend posters who have and are entitled to an opinion. All I will say on the issue is please remember what you posted if we do get to OT.

[DaveO]

I suppose I see your point about being short changed in the play offs but I don't think the team have given up. I think the reason we're slipping is simpler than that. The team certainly aren't playing as well as they have but it's not down to their attitude. It's down to it being a long and tough season where we've played more matches than anyone else. Injuries are starting to show and Gaz H getting himself banned didn't help.

We have played one more game than Leeds (the World Club championship) and they look sprightly. Too big a difference to be explained simply by fatigue. I just do not reckon the players are up for it and I think part of the reason why will be because IL set the CC as the target and so mentally this is job done.

We also have some of the best conditioners and fitness people in the game so they should have been able to deal with any fatigue as Leeds clearly have done.

The point of my original post was that after the Saints game there was a feeling of disaster on the forum which was a supernova where a candle would have done. We had a right to be concerned but we're still very much in the playoffs and if we lose to Les Cats....well so be it. It's still been a successful season.

I think the point other are making is that we have stuttered through most of the season so while the CC certainly means we have had a successful season the fact we are not competitive in the play offs is only reinforcing the fact we have not been as good throughout the season in 2011 as we were in 2010.

And I do think there are people who believe in the Wigan divine right to win everything. I have heard people arguing black's white to prove how Wigan have been unjustly dealt to. Arguments like reffing decisions or that the RFL actually have a vendetta to make us lose or that they're "scared of us doing well" as someone posted. This to me is people with multiple pairs of cherry and white tinted spectacles on, who are not interested in any other opinion or fact unless it is in the favour of Wigan RL. I've heard people argue that Mossop's pass to Lima in the CC wasn't forward. This amuses me as I see it as nothing more than passionate fans BUT there is a feeling from them that we have some divine right to win, regardless of little matters like....the rules?!

I can see your point over the claims you mention above. I just don't see any of that (conspiracy theories etc) as someone thinking we have a divine right to win things. Or put another way I think anyone complaining (as I am) at the teams poor form recently can't be accused of thinking we have a divene right to win because we are just pointing out the fact that Wigan are well below par when we don't think they should be.

I mean would you not agree if we do lose to Les Cats that the current champions bowing out not winning a play off game in defence of the title would be very poor?

[the winky one]

I'm as guilty as anyone else when it comes to throwing
my toys out of the pram.

Each season I tell myself that I won't do it,and that
every team has a bad day at the office....then we lose..
and guess what?..off I go on a rant...maybe we all need anger management classes eh?!!! :hehe: :eusa4:

[Kiwiseddon]

I wouldn't describe it as very poor Dave no. Disappointing yes. I have to look at the two games in isolation. Saints were always gonna be tough to beat in our fifth game against them and we haven't beaten Cats all season so I am philosophically prepared for us bowing out this weekend. I hope we don't and the lads will have my unreserved support all the way.
I also appreciate your points about fitness and so on but it's mental toughness that's the issue. We've already played in two massive games this season and suffered hangovers after both. Let alone the quarter final against Wire, Good Friday against Stains. The semi final against Stains. They're all big games too. I just think that it's borderline inhuman to get yourself psychologically 'up' for every game and the squad are bound to peak and trough. There are very few teams in any sport in any competition who don't have wobbles at some point in the season. Generally we made an average start but were top of the league since then right up until the penultimate game of the season and unbeaten in the CC. This shows a level of consistency for several months and unfortunately we've started to wobble a bit now. Add bans, injuries and a CC hangover to the mix and I don't think it's too surprising that we're not playing too well at the moment. I still think that the players and club want more success but the drop in form is inevitable IMO.

Going back to my first post, I think it's harsh to criticise too much given the season we've had but of course I'd love us to win everything but don't think it's going to happen.

[DaveO]

Saints were always gonna be tough to beat in our fifth game against them and we haven't beaten Cats all season so I am philosophically prepared for us bowing out this weekend. I hope we don't and the lads will have my unreserved support all the way.

Well I hope Madge and the players aren't in the same frame of mind (philosophically prepared for us bowing out this weekend). I don't think just because it was the 5th game that made Saints any harder to beat. We only lost by 8 points and they just don't look that good. We just looked far worse than at any time in 2010 and possibly put in one of the worst performances of the 2011 season.

It's certainly true we have not beat Les Cats and they are IMO a good outside bet for the GF but we really ought not to be playing them on Sunday.

I also appreciate your points about fitness and so on but it's mental toughness that's the issue. We've already played in two massive games this season and suffered hangovers after both. Let alone the quarter final against Wire, Good Friday against Stains. The semi final against Stains. They're all big games too. I just think that it's borderline inhuman to get yourself psychologically 'up' for every game and the squad are bound to peak and trough.

My point is we have not played well all season except in the CC (final excepted because that wasn't a truly great performance either). I think the team has won ugly too often.

There are very few teams in any sport in any competition who don't have wobbles at some point in the season. Generally we made an average start but were top of the league since then right up until the penultimate game of the season and unbeaten in the CC. This shows a level of consistency for several months and unfortunately we've started to wobble a bit now. Add bans, injuries and a CC hangover to the mix and I don't think it's too surprising that we're not playing too well at the moment. I still think that the players and club want more success but the drop in form is inevitable IMO.

As I said we have not been playing that well all season not just now. 12 matches unbeaten included many scrappy wins.
In any case surely the end of the season is when all teams are aiming to peak. That is what the play offs and GF require. All team know this including Wigan.

We are not far off full strength and Saints were even worse off than us on the injury front. Les Cats have Ferriol out banned so its not just us with the odd problem. It's all par for the course and while the playoffs do require a certain amount of luck with injuries we have not been decimated.

Going back to my first post, I think it's harsh to criticise too much given the season we've had but of course I'd love us to win everything but don't think it's going to happen.

With the competitions we have (two knock out competitions) it is very hard for any team to win both just because of the nature of knock out competitions. If we go down flighting playing well but just coming up short then that is sport. What I don't want to see is us cave in by losing both play off games. That is not acceptable for a champion side with the resources Wigan has at its disposal IMO. Even winning the CC it makes us look like one season wonders. Expecting better is not unreasonable. Leeds have won back to back GF's and Saints have been finalists on a regular basis.

[gillysmyhero]

Just my opion but anybody who thinks that the team isnt trying have no idea at all.Rugby league is the most physical
contact sport in the world and the people that play it are top athletes,but they are only human and their bodies are only human and can only take so much battering before fatigue does set in.Ask anyone whos played Rubgy League at what ever level and they will tell you cant go out onto a pitch and not try,because if you did you would get hurt.

[Panchitta Marra]

I wouldn't describe it as very poor Dave no. Disappointing yes. I have to look at the two games in isolation. Saints were always gonna be tough to beat in our fifth game against them and we haven't beaten Cats all season so I am philosophically prepared for us bowing out this weekend. I hope we don't and the lads will have my unreserved support all the way.
I also appreciate your points about fitness and so on but it's mental toughness that's the issue. We've already played in two massive games this season and suffered hangovers after both. Let alone the quarter final against Wire, Good Friday against Stains. The semi final against Stains. They're all big games too. I just think that it's borderline inhuman to get yourself psychologically 'up' for every game and the squad are bound to peak and trough. There are very few teams in any sport in any competition who don't have wobbles at some point in the season. Generally we made an average start but were top of the league since then right up until the penultimate game of the season and unbeaten in the CC. This shows a level of consistency for several months and unfortunately we've started to wobble a bit now. Add bans, injuries and a CC hangover to the mix and I don't think it's too surprising that we're not playing too well at the moment. I still think that the players and club want more success but the drop in form is inevitable IMO.

Going back to my first post, I think it's harsh to criticise too much given the season we've had but of course I'd love us to win everything but don't think it's going to happen.

A very good post KW.
Also mentally the fact that maybe the lads think that they have acheived this seasons goal in winning the CC.