BigJeffLima wrote:To be honest i am more concerned about the effect it will leave on sam, if u watched super league's super men sam said " joel is more than my brother hes my best mate and team mate" im sure if joel tells sam to follow him he will and the money sam will be on will be a huge amount, im just scared that sam will called it a day soon , whats ure opinions?
That we need a chairman who will enforce both Joel and Sam's contracts and not just keel over as soon as an agent comes knocking.
If they want to leave after their contracts are up that is up to them and while I would be sad to see them go at least they would have honoured their contracts so we could have no complaints.
I am sick of hearing that contracts mean nothing. They only mean nothing if no one enforces them. And that is IL's job - to enforce the contracts not just take the plaudits for signing players up long term then letting them leave regardless.
BigJeffLima wrote:To be honest i am more concerned about the effect it will leave on sam, if u watched super league's super men sam said " joel is more than my brother hes my best mate and team mate" im sure if joel tells sam to follow him he will and the money sam will be on will be a huge amount, im just scared that sam will called it a day soon , whats ure opinions?
That we need a chairman who will enforce both Joel and Sam's contracts and not just keel over as soon as an agent comes knocking.
If they want to leave after their contracts are up that is up to them and while I would be sad to see them go at least they would have honoured their contracts so we could have no complaints.
I am sick of hearing that contracts mean nothing. They only mean nothing if no one enforces them. And that is IL's job - to enforce the contracts not just take the plaudits for signing players up long term then letting them leave regardless.
How do you know that IL hasn't tried everything. He may even have said you can't go and I'll enforce the contract. You seem to be saying that IL has rolled over on this one. I doubt it
Fujiman wrote:How do you know that IL hasn't tried everything. He may even have said you can't go and I'll enforce the contract. You seem to be saying that IL has rolled over on this one. I doubt it
If Joel leaves then he will have rolled over. If he stays he won't have.
I hope it's the latter not just because it is Joel in particular but because of the message that sends out.
Fujiman wrote:How do you know that IL hasn't tried everything. He may even have said you can't go and I'll enforce the contract. You seem to be saying that IL has rolled over on this one. I doubt it
If Joel leaves then he will have rolled over. If he stays he won't have.
I hope it's the latter not just because it is Joel in particular but because of the message that sends out.
So you'd be happy stuck with a player who will clearly be upset and all the baggage that would come with it just to prove a point or rather than say a chairman who takes the wider view and has a plan b with maybe an able replacement?
Fujiman wrote:How do you know that IL hasn't tried everything. He may even have said you can't go and I'll enforce the contract. You seem to be saying that IL has rolled over on this one. I doubt it
If Joel leaves then he will have rolled over. If he stays he won't have.
I hope it's the latter not just because it is Joel in particular but because of the message that sends out.
So you'd be happy stuck with a player who will clearly be upset and all the baggage that would come with it just to prove a point or rather than say a chairman who takes the wider view and has a plan b with maybe an able replacement?
Its not just that he is apparentley been allowed to leave but it is seems IL is rolling the red crapet for him to go. For a change i agree with DaveO. IL should have dug his heels in and played the long game as Spurs did with Modric. And before anyone points out he will go in January. He wont as Chelsea then went for their second choice Meirelles.
DaveO wrote:
If Joel leaves then he will have rolled over. If he stays he won't have.
I hope it's the latter not just because it is Joel in particular but because of the message that sends out.
So you'd be happy stuck with a player who will clearly be upset and all the baggage that would come with it just to prove a point or rather than say a chairman who takes the wider view and has a plan b with maybe an able replacement?
Its not just that he is apparentley been allowed to leave but it is seems IL is rolling the red crapet for him to go. For a change i agree with DaveO. IL should have dug his heels in and played the long game as Spurs did with Modric. And before anyone points out he will go in January. He wont as Chelsea then went for their second choice Meirelles.
The bit in bold - Thats my point though Gimble. How do you know that. Provide a link to an article or say IL has told you in person.
Fujiman wrote:So you'd be happy stuck with a player who will clearly be upset and all the baggage that would come with it just to prove a point or rather than say a chairman who takes the wider view and has a plan b with maybe an able replacement?
Its not just that he is apparentley been allowed to leave but it is seems IL is rolling the red crapet for him to go. For a change i agree with DaveO. IL should have dug his heels in and played the long game as Spurs did with Modric. And before anyone points out he will go in January. He wont as Chelsea then went for their second choice Meirelles.
The bit in bold - Thats my point though Gimble. How do you know that. Provide a link to an article or say IL has told you in person.
The speed of this happening. Last week rumors started and now he pulls out of the England sqaud. A deal usually takes a lot longer to sort out and the speed rumors hit these forums as well as rlfans makes it sound like its happened in the last 2-3 weeks. After all March he was more than happy to stay and play for Wigan. Now inside 7 months he wants out.
Why people feel the need to compare a £50 million pound footballer to a RL player beggars belief IMO!! However, 99% of footballers that decide they want to move get their move do they not? which defeats the argument anyhow.
If a player does not want to stay there is not a lot you can do about it despite the high and mighty screaming stick 2 fingers up blah blah blah.
Maybe, sadly, this is the way RL is destined to go. When people scoff and grin at England RU doing badly, think again. A bad England RU team = lets find new players! When people support an egalatarian RL then fine but remember this is what happens and will continue to happen.
cpwigan wrote: Why people feel the need to compare a £50 million pound footballer to a RL player beggars belief IMO!! However, 99% of footballers that decide they want to move get their move do they not? which defeats the argument anyhow.
If a player does not want to stay there is not a lot you can do about it despite the high and mighty screaming stick 2 fingers up blah blah blah.
Maybe, sadly, this is the way RL is destined to go. When people scoff and grin at England RU doing badly, think again. A bad England RU team = lets find new players! When people support an egalatarian RL then fine but remember this is what happens and will continue to happen.
Sod off i grin at England losing in union as i am Welsh. And boy its been a fun weekend.
cpwigan wrote: Why people feel the need to compare a £50 million pound footballer to a RL player beggars belief IMO!! However, 99% of footballers that decide they want to move get their move do they not? which defeats the argument anyhow.
If a player does not want to stay there is not a lot you can do about it despite the high and mighty screaming stick 2 fingers up blah blah blah.
Maybe, sadly, this is the way RL is destined to go. When people scoff and grin at England RU doing badly, think again. A bad England RU team = lets find new players! When people support an egalatarian RL then fine but remember this is what happens and will continue to happen.
Sod off i grin at England losing in union as i am Welsh. And boy its been a fun weekend.
And so you should BUT you know the England Rah Rah's, a loss = national disaster = spend, spend, spend.
Why people feel the need to compare a £50 million pound footballer to a RL player beggars belief IMO!! However, 99% of footballers that decide they want to move get their move do they not? which defeats the argument anyhow.
And so you should BUT you know the England Rah Rah's, a loss = national disaster = spend, spend, spend.