Lauaki has signed - official

[butt monkey]

Old rumour threads surrounding Andy Coley signing for Wigan. The comparisons are interesting/people's opinions of his pedigree.

There certainly appears to be a remarkable similarity for criticism and praise in varying degrees.

http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... 2&o=449637

http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=448690

http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... 3&o=447873

As for you Dave, quoting SL statistics as a reason for not signing anyone. Wasn't it you that defended Martin Gleeson's performances with another poster, and asked your opposing poster (cannot remember there name) to ignore these very same SL stats as they didn't give a true definition of his play at centre for the club!(I will find the thread if I have to)

[DaveO]

As for you Dave, quoting SL statistics as a reason for not signing anyone. Wasn't it you that defended Martin Gleeson's performances with another poster, and asked your opposing poster (cannot remember there name) to ignore these very same SL stats as they didn't give a true definition of his play at centre for the club!(I will find the thread if I have to)

Well that is because I use my brain and view the statistics in the conext of the game rather than doing as someone apparently did on Facebook quoting the number of penalties he gave away as being 13 trying to paint the player in a good light ignoring things like the criticism he got from the Hull fans for the past two seasons.

And regarding the tackles statistic I mentioned above, by any stretch of the imagination averaging 12 tackles a match is rubbish and simply does not ,compare to Coley who he basically replaces. Does it?

[thegimble]

Old rumour threads surrounding Andy Coley signing for Wigan. The comparisons are interesting/people's opinions of his pedigree.

There certainly appears to be a remarkable similarity for criticism and praise in varying degrees.

http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... 2&o=449637

http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=448690

http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... 3&o=447873

As for you Dave, quoting SL statistics as a reason for not signing anyone. Wasn't it you that defended Martin Gleeson's performances with another poster, and asked your opposing poster (cannot remember there name) to ignore these very same SL stats as they didn't give a true definition of his play at centre for the club!(I will find the thread if I have to)

Statistics is only good when they prove your point.

[butt monkey]

Old rumour threads surrounding Andy Coley signing for Wigan. The comparisons are interesting/people's opinions of his pedigree.

There certainly appears to be a remarkable similarity for criticism and praise in varying degrees.

http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... 2&o=449637

http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=448690

http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... 3&o=447873

As for you Dave, quoting SL statistics as a reason for not signing anyone. Wasn't it you that defended Martin Gleeson's performances with another poster, and asked your opposing poster (cannot remember there name) to ignore these very same SL stats as they didn't give a true definition of his play at centre for the club!(I will find the thread if I have to)

Statistics is only good when they prove your point.

Exactly!

The saying is "there are lies, damned lies and statistics"

[Robswarriors]

I think lauaki is a very good signing and will add much needed size and power and with the imminent signings of flower and dudson our front and back row looks very formidable

[MrDave]

Old rumour threads surrounding Andy Coley signing for Wigan. The comparisons are interesting/people's opinions of his pedigree.

There certainly appears to be a remarkable similarity for criticism and praise in varying degrees.

http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... 2&o=449637

http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=448690

http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... 3&o=447873

As for you Dave, quoting SL statistics as a reason for not signing anyone. Wasn't it you that defended Martin Gleeson's performances with another poster, and asked your opposing poster (cannot remember there name) to ignore these very same SL stats as they didn't give a true definition of his play at centre for the club!(I will find the thread if I have to)

I was going to say the same thing, very few people rated Coley when he signed for Wigan but after a few years people really didn't want him to retire.

Wane said he sees potential in Lauaki and you can't disagree there the key is getting the most out of him. If he doesn't play well he will get dropped and the world goes on, any player with potential is still better than signing no player at all.

Personally I was quite happy with the signing he brings some size and aggression to the team and if you look at Solomona for Warrington, he is a 'lazy, penalty machine' who always causes Wigan problems when he comes on the pitch.

[the winky one]

If he knocks seven bells out of Saints and Warrington....especially Mozzer.. he will do for me. :badg:

[DaveO]

Old rumour threads surrounding Andy Coley signing for Wigan. The comparisons are interesting/people's opinions of his pedigree.

There certainly appears to be a remarkable similarity for criticism and praise in varying degrees.

http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... 2&o=449637

http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=448690

http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... 3&o=447873

As for you Dave, quoting SL statistics as a reason for not signing anyone. Wasn't it you that defended Martin Gleeson's performances with another poster, and asked your opposing poster (cannot remember there name) to ignore these very same SL stats as they didn't give a true definition of his play at centre for the club!(I will find the thread if I have to)

Statistics is only good when they prove your point.

Exactly!

The saying is "there are lies, damned lies and statistics"

Rubbish. And what is more you know it.

Selectively quoting statistics like he only gives away 13 penalties in isolation is being deliberately misleading. Doing that is easily spotted and discredited.

Using the statistics to compare one player with a good reputation such as Coley to one with a poor one like Lauaki and finding they back up the opinions of the Wigan and Hull fans on each player and pointing this out is common sense and sensible use of the statistics.

[MrDave]

Rubbish. And what is more you know it.

Selectively quoting statistics like he only gives away 13 penalties in isolation is being deliberately misleading. Doing that is easily spotted and discredited.

Using the statistics to compare one player with a good reputation such as Coley to one with a poor one like Lauaki and finding they back up the opinions of the Wigan and Hull fans on each player and pointing this out is common sense and sensible use of the statistics.

Statistics are just raw data, putting them into a context gives you some information but its also important to know how useful that information is, for example the stats may say that 'player A' gives away more penalties than 'player B' but what that doesn't tell you is how where these penalties given away, was 'player A' playing for a team doing more defending and therefore more likely to give away penalties, where they offsides and high tackles etc.

From one point of view you could say that Darrell Goulding was the best winger in Super League in 2010, however applying some knowledge would tell you that actually he benefited a lot from how the team played not just his own ability, no disrespect to Darrell.

Comparing Lauaki's stats to Coley's doesn't actually tell you anything about how he will play for Wigan.

[cpwigan]

Rubbish. And what is more you know it.

Selectively quoting statistics like he only gives away 13 penalties in isolation is being deliberately misleading. Doing that is easily spotted and discredited.

Using the statistics to compare one player with a good reputation such as Coley to one with a poor one like Lauaki and finding they back up the opinions of the Wigan and Hull fans on each player and pointing this out is common sense and sensible use of the statistics.

Statistics are just raw data, putting them into a context gives you some information but its also important to know how useful that information is, for example the stats may say that 'player A' gives away more penalties than 'player B' but what that doesn't tell you is how where these penalties given away, was 'player A' playing for a team doing more defending and therefore more likely to give away penalties, where they offsides and high tackles etc.

From one point of view you could say that Darrell Goulding was the best winger in Super League in 2010, however applying some knowledge would tell you that actually he benefited a lot from how the team played not just his own ability, no disrespect to Darrell.

Comparing Lauaki's stats to Coley's doesn't actually tell you anything about how he will play for Wigan.

:eusa2: :eusa2: :eusa2: :eusa2:

A man who actually understand statistics and how to interpret them whereas some have been attempting to use them like politicians.

Incidentally, if ANYBODY wants to use the Engage stats for forwards and talk about workrate then you have to work out minutes players before you even dare start pontificating and then as Mr Dave and one or two others have stated look at the bigger/whole picture.