Harry,
The game has always changed, why should we judge players by how the game is played today. However, if we take your argument then Sulivan is a perfect example of a player / coach who not only moved with the time / he led RL. He was a master tactician as a player and a coach. He even made Saints great
On that basis I his ability to dominate the world's leading RL nation and lead the entire sport then he is in a different league to any other FB to ever play for Wigan, perhaps RL and would be great in any era.
You will get idiots saying oh just because CPW says it is so we are all clueless. NO, far better people with much more expertise thanourselves say so. I would expect any fan to know a little about the history of their own club / its players to then make informed choices.
The RFL not CPW inducted Sully as an original RFL Hall og Famer. Their are only 17 across RL, Ellery, Billy B and Eric Ashton are the only other Wiganers. So the experts help you make informed educated choices.
Everybody here has google
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sullivan
Jim Sullivan (2 December 1903 — September 1977)[1] was a Welsh rugby league footballer and coach.
A Fullback and prodigious goal kicker, he scored 6,022 points in a career that spanned 25 years. Several years after his death he was still the player with the most appearances and most goals for the Wales national rugby league team. He also represented Wales in baseball (British/Welsh).[2]
Sullivan joined Wigan in June 1921 from Cardiff Rugby Union Club as a 17-year-old.[3]
On 14 February 1925, he landed 22 goals against amateurs Flimby & Fothergill in the Rugby League Challenge Cup, which is still a record.[4] He toured with the Great Britain Lions three times (1924, 1928 and 1932) and was captain on the final occasion. He top-scored on all three tours. He refused what would have been a record fourth trip, in 1936, for personal reasons.
For twenty years, he dominated at Fullback, representing Great Britain (25 times), Wales (26), England (3), Other Nations (6), Glamorgan (1) and Glamorgan & Monmouthshire (12). Due to the Second World War, his last season was 1939/40, although he played several times when peace resumed, the last for Batley in February 1946.
When he removed his Wigan jersey for the final time,
he had made 774 appearances and amassed ... hire Cups.
As a player-coach from 1932, Sullivan continued managing Wigan after retiring as a player, creating one of the club's greatest sides by winning a record 5 Championships and 2 Challenge Cups. In 1952 he joined St Helens RLFC, overseeing their rise to power. He later returned to Wigan as coach in 1961, but left months later due to ill health.
Jim Sullivan died in Wigan in 1977, aged 73. He was one of the inaugural inductees of the British Rugby League Hall of Fame in October 1988. He is also an inductee of the Wigan Hall of Fame.
How much effort would that take to find and understand. We are talking about a player who led World RL, dominate world RL as a player and as a coach. Worse he then made Saints great. As a player / coach he was a world leader over 3 / 4 decades and people think he would not be able to play today
Wigan legends Andy Gregory and Jim Sullivan added to longlist of candidates for Wembley statue
No Kris Rads how odd
In the words of that doyen of the rugby league press, Eddie Waring (NOT CPW), he was the "the greatest Welshman ever to be signed". In the record books of Rugby League, he certainly ranks as the greatest goal kicker ever to have donned a Rugby League shirt. His superlative goal kicking was the feature of his game for which he is most famous. 'Sully' as he was affectionately known was a true professional as a player and this trait shone through in his post-playing days as an inspirational coach.
I would be ashamed to call myself a fan if I ignored Sully. It is IMO embarassing for this site and those that chose to. EXPERTS / RL Greats not CPW did not act so clueless and ignorant. Yet, a forum thinks it can and is quite happy to do so.
Many here will not have seen Billy B or Ellery play does that mean they cannot vote for them or that they would not have been great now
Can you imagine St George fans not voting for Reg Gasnier, Many not voting for Bob Fulton just because they had not see them and they were from a different era.
