Theres a debate going on on the other board about how awful Farrell was against Australia.I know the rest of the team where awful but Farrell stuck out like a sore thumb IMO.We have heard the Saints fans saying for years how Farrell goes missing when the team are losing and after yeasterday and last years GF im beginning to think the they have a point.
Most of the posters on the other site seem to agree but one or two have defended Farrell.I really think he should be dropped as captain from the GB team after yesterdays showing and i also think Lam would make a better Wigan captain.IMO the captain should lead by example at all times not just when the team is winning.In the years of Edwards and Hanley both players never ever gave in even when the team was in a hole.Farrell just doesnt seem to have that mental toughness.
His stats yeaterday after 60 mins where 2 hit ups and 8 tackles.Is this really good enough?
Whats everyones opinion?
Have we lost faith in Farrell?
Have we lost faith in Farrell?
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john, i have also stated my opinion on "captain fantastic" and was shouted down
my opinon is simple
the guy has the worlds biggest ego n wages n seems incapable of backing them up when it really matters (ie - the test match)
also, he isnt the best captain we could have, we need a 110% man like lam or oconnor in charge
my opinon is simple
the guy has the worlds biggest ego n wages n seems incapable of backing them up when it really matters (ie - the test match)
also, he isnt the best captain we could have, we need a 110% man like lam or oconnor in charge
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so quick to critise
Some people (and I accpet this may be the majority now) are so quick to forget what Andy Farrell has done for Wigan. IMO he is resposible for keeping us around the top 4 since Robinson left. Have you forgotten the games he has won for us almost single handed. There's only Mick Cassidy who gives more for the team every week.
As for the test. Farrell was one game back from a 2 week injury. Then a 12 hour plane flight. Then a match against the Worlds best team.
As for being a choker in big matches, thats just wrong. Teams are stronger now. On the one hand people critise Farrell for not doing enough, but 2 years ago the complaint was that he was doing too much. You can't have it boths ways, an either way he is an outstanding loose-forward.
I may be in the minority now, but its a sad day if I am. Why don't we replace Farrell with another 'world class' 30+ Aussie? that would be good ... wouldn't it??
As for the test. Farrell was one game back from a 2 week injury. Then a 12 hour plane flight. Then a match against the Worlds best team.
As for being a choker in big matches, thats just wrong. Teams are stronger now. On the one hand people critise Farrell for not doing enough, but 2 years ago the complaint was that he was doing too much. You can't have it boths ways, an either way he is an outstanding loose-forward.
I may be in the minority now, but its a sad day if I am. Why don't we replace Farrell with another 'world class' 30+ Aussie? that would be good ... wouldn't it??
So biased
Some of you lot need to realise that in about 3 years or so we have had 3 world class stand offs and each and every one have failed to make any real impact when we are on attack.
WHY?
Because Andy Farrell wont let them have the run of the width of the field.Notice how every one of our stand offs always play as an extra centre down the right? 9/10 times when Farrell gets the ball he has two tricks up his sleeve.Either a dummy on the inside or a hospital pass to a player already being lined up to get smashed.Sometimes his passes are so bad i question if he is actually scared of being tackled hard??
In the last few years Farrell has been awful at times in IMO.
As AJ said,his ego is just too big,he thinks hes bigger than Wigan RLFC.
Nitsua i cant see the point in having a discussion board if we are just going to agree on everything and say that anything Wigan is fantastic.
I cant wait for the next few games without Farrell.I really think once the team get used to playing without him we will see a better team.We may now actually see our stand off in the right position and link up with Lam.
WHY?
Because Andy Farrell wont let them have the run of the width of the field.Notice how every one of our stand offs always play as an extra centre down the right? 9/10 times when Farrell gets the ball he has two tricks up his sleeve.Either a dummy on the inside or a hospital pass to a player already being lined up to get smashed.Sometimes his passes are so bad i question if he is actually scared of being tackled hard??
In the last few years Farrell has been awful at times in IMO.
As AJ said,his ego is just too big,he thinks hes bigger than Wigan RLFC.
Nitsua i cant see the point in having a discussion board if we are just going to agree on everything and say that anything Wigan is fantastic.
I cant wait for the next few games without Farrell.I really think once the team get used to playing without him we will see a better team.We may now actually see our stand off in the right position and link up with Lam.
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surely just an opinion
"It saddens me to see Wigan fans joining in with silly accusations"
nitusa surely, both myslef and john are just voicing our opinions about a player who plays for the team we love. in the same way some man utd fans have critised juan sebastian veron, who has a huge rep but some struggle to understand why
to be honest i find you callin mine and johns views silly accusations a silly accusation in itself
regardless of my love of wigan which i asure u is the biggest love in my life i can be objective and not blinkered and with an objective unblinkerd view -
Andy farrell has an ego, yes he has won some games for wigan like london away this season, but he also destorys any world class stand off we sign with his ego n greed, he has only 2 moves as john mentioned b4 also he is not a leader, had he been a leader he would have put his hand up last week and told david waite he wasnt fit to play for GB, those of us at the JJB v faz knew that then, but what does he do, he goes to aus skippers the side and the best word for his performance is "passenger". he is an enigma and has yet on the biggest stage of all which the likes off johns n sculthorpe stand up on regualrly faz has yet to do that. i hope he proves me and john both very wrong for both club and country but i doubt it
nitusa surely, both myslef and john are just voicing our opinions about a player who plays for the team we love. in the same way some man utd fans have critised juan sebastian veron, who has a huge rep but some struggle to understand why
to be honest i find you callin mine and johns views silly accusations a silly accusation in itself
regardless of my love of wigan which i asure u is the biggest love in my life i can be objective and not blinkered and with an objective unblinkerd view -
Andy farrell has an ego, yes he has won some games for wigan like london away this season, but he also destorys any world class stand off we sign with his ego n greed, he has only 2 moves as john mentioned b4 also he is not a leader, had he been a leader he would have put his hand up last week and told david waite he wasnt fit to play for GB, those of us at the JJB v faz knew that then, but what does he do, he goes to aus skippers the side and the best word for his performance is "passenger". he is an enigma and has yet on the biggest stage of all which the likes off johns n sculthorpe stand up on regualrly faz has yet to do that. i hope he proves me and john both very wrong for both club and country but i doubt it
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thats way too harsh
So now its Farrell's fault that Mathew Johns was a money grabbing Aussie doing the minimum to pick up his wage packet before going home.
I seem to remember Henry Paul playing OK at stand-off during the time Farrell was captain.
And to say that Farrell is scared of getting tackled is just a bit silly surely? Its true Farrell's game aminly revolves around 3 options, the inside ball, the long flat outside ball and the dummy. But he is a loose forward, not a scrum-half. And anyway, you can't deny the amout of tries Wigan have scored from one of these moves. It works for him.
Sometimes it really annoys me listening to the constant critisism Farrell takes from some speccys. If he gets the ball he gets a slagging regardless if he passes or not. The only thing that shuts them up is if he scores personally (which happens quite a bit). Even then they are moaning again in the next set of 6!
If the stand-off wants to cover the entire pitch then he can do. Positioning of players says more about the coaching than the captain, so moan about Raper if you think Farrell is in the wrong position.
I seem to remember Henry Paul playing OK at stand-off during the time Farrell was captain.
And to say that Farrell is scared of getting tackled is just a bit silly surely? Its true Farrell's game aminly revolves around 3 options, the inside ball, the long flat outside ball and the dummy. But he is a loose forward, not a scrum-half. And anyway, you can't deny the amout of tries Wigan have scored from one of these moves. It works for him.
Sometimes it really annoys me listening to the constant critisism Farrell takes from some speccys. If he gets the ball he gets a slagging regardless if he passes or not. The only thing that shuts them up is if he scores personally (which happens quite a bit). Even then they are moaning again in the next set of 6!
If the stand-off wants to cover the entire pitch then he can do. Positioning of players says more about the coaching than the captain, so moan about Raper if you think Farrell is in the wrong position.
to AJ
I have no doubt Farrell will never prove you wrong.
Cause when he plays well (i.e. almost single handedly wins a match) that doesn't count for some reason.
As for Farrell's injury at the moment. Had he *NOT* played for GB after playing for us, I can't imagine the slagging you would have given him. Surely the coach takes the blame for selecting unfit players - are you telling me you want players in our team that *AREN'T* perpared to play through the pain barier for the cause???
Perhaps Shaun Edwards should have gone off at Wembley after breaking his eye-socket? Yes that would have been the right thing to do!!!!!
Your accusations aren't silly. But neither are the other sides opinions (even though I still can't believe its Farrell's fault we've got rubbish Aussies in the side, I suppose its his fault O'Neill didn't pass against Saints early this year, or that Ainscough is the worst centre at timing passes that I've seen for ages too?)
Cause when he plays well (i.e. almost single handedly wins a match) that doesn't count for some reason.
As for Farrell's injury at the moment. Had he *NOT* played for GB after playing for us, I can't imagine the slagging you would have given him. Surely the coach takes the blame for selecting unfit players - are you telling me you want players in our team that *AREN'T* perpared to play through the pain barier for the cause???
Perhaps Shaun Edwards should have gone off at Wembley after breaking his eye-socket? Yes that would have been the right thing to do!!!!!
Your accusations aren't silly. But neither are the other sides opinions (even though I still can't believe its Farrell's fault we've got rubbish Aussies in the side, I suppose its his fault O'Neill didn't pass against Saints early this year, or that Ainscough is the worst centre at timing passes that I've seen for ages too?)
oneil and even johns
no, but it is his fault that so many people said matty johns was a rubbish player and now are doing the same with farrell
farrell killed mattys game with his refusal to simpliy do the job of a loose forward and drive the ball in, yes do some creative work but mainly drive the ball in and make breaks off passes from players like johns
now oneil is a different kind of player, he has gile and an edge. he isnt going to spli a defence with a 40yard pass like matty could but he can do it with a sidestep or a kick or a turn of pace, but farrells reluctance to hand over in game kicking duties is stifiling this, as seen @ murrayfield, oneils grubber about 60 minutes in, was vital to us winning the cup, got us another set of 6 made saints work more defence and showed what a damn fine kicking game julian has
and as regards him not passing at the saints game, at least he made those breaks in a "big game" situation, i didnt see farrell doing that
farrell killed mattys game with his refusal to simpliy do the job of a loose forward and drive the ball in, yes do some creative work but mainly drive the ball in and make breaks off passes from players like johns
now oneil is a different kind of player, he has gile and an edge. he isnt going to spli a defence with a 40yard pass like matty could but he can do it with a sidestep or a kick or a turn of pace, but farrells reluctance to hand over in game kicking duties is stifiling this, as seen @ murrayfield, oneils grubber about 60 minutes in, was vital to us winning the cup, got us another set of 6 made saints work more defence and showed what a damn fine kicking game julian has
and as regards him not passing at the saints game, at least he made those breaks in a "big game" situation, i didnt see farrell doing that
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