SACK SW NOW

[cpwigan]

To be fair to Wane I personaly think and have enjoyed the way we have played Rugby a lot more than the way we played under Madge. Our attack for most of the season has been exciting and effective.But when its mattered in knock games we haven't performed and that's what concerns me. I think some of the forwards look jaded and should have been rested more. And why do we always seem to attack dowm Georges and Pats side when we have Charnley on the other in big games.I think Wane will learn from this season and the mistakes he's made and be an even better coach for it.

Fans will IMO have to decide just that;

Do you want more entertainment in meaningless game OR winning major games and success.

One thought, one of the greatest coaches ever argued the secret of coaching was creating a game plan suited to the players available. Do Wigan have the players to play Waney ball? Even Waney accepted pre season he had to change the players skill sets etc. Is he asking too much particularly when under pressure?

[Warriors Forever]

he as been in charge for one season and he won the league and was 4 minutes away from the grand final!! i really do not understand all the sniping for him

[cpwigan]

I think Wane has done a good job this season....he doesnt deserve the sack hes won the hardest competition the league leaders shield, which imo should hold more esteem than the Grand Final because its made a mockery off after a team who lost 12 games are in the final and you have to be consistant throughout the entire season to win the league.

However, his tactics and team selection has been dumb at vital times this year and he hasnt learned one bit, almost stubbourn in his approach. I.L will not stand for this kind of thing next year im afraid and if it continues i really believe SW will be out on his ear and a quality Aussie will be brought in.

Ive spoken to I.L a few times and he wants to win EVERY THING and every time Wigan step out he expects to win. He asked me a few seasons ago if it was worth giving Noble a new contract when i was stood on the terrace at Castleford, I said possibly a 1 year deal and his response was " Your a Wigan fan you sould expect silverwear, i dont think Brian is the man for this" Needless to say he was 100% correct and Mcguire was brought in and the rest is history.

Wane has inherited a very good and motivated set of players with great understanding of a set way of playing with a great culture and attitude. This season has seen it slip imo and next may get worse.

All in all dont sack SW see how next season goes, and for f sake Sean get a plan B in place because if plan A goes tits up we have something to fall back on.

Like you I want Waney to be a success. A Wiganer coaching Wigan to success is the perfect scenario BUT he has IMO bombed a great opportunity to start his Wigan career perfectly.

Let's all be honest, the depth / ability in Sl is socking. Saints nearly reached a GF with no coach, no great players, Leeds have reached a GF and a CC Final with an ageing squad and a LF at 6. We just and only just won the LL Hubcap whilst other cubs like Wire took the P rotating / resting.

It is an old adage that you make gradual change. Waney is and has had to make gradual playing pertsonnel change BUt he has compounded that with his ill conceived belief that he can rewrite the RL coaching manual adopting a Schofield like philosophy.

The irony is that when all these know it alls talk about how British RL is the best, this and that, when we dominated Rl in 58-62 and before our way of playing RL was brutal and as clinical as that the modern Australians adopt.

Pure RL is Romantic hogwash, Pure sport is just that, bullshit. Unless you watch juniors NOT professional sport!!

[eccywarrior]

sack shaun wane? you pissed or on drugs? seriously why sack waney? its his first season as a first team coach and only learned of maguire who was also learning to a certain degree.
seriously some of you negative fans need a good luck in the mirror and ask yourself are you really a fan and if you are you will realise that after 1 season by a rookie coach finishing top is not worth sacking. next season he will learn that finishing top doesnt mean nothing (ask tony smith? he could get away with putting under 19s out for least 4 games and save his top stars and still be in top 8.

sacking waney is not the option. make rfl realise that playoffs is becoming a joke and should be scrapped.


IN SHAUN WANE WE TRUST!!!!!!!!!

Mmmmmmmmmm,

Tony Smith can put his under 19s out for 4 matches?????

He prob can. Guess this puts the salary cap question straight into the Wolves court, but let's not even go there!!!

sorry but i meant waney can put under 19s out for 4 games not tony smith because it proves how stupid and amateurish the sport is run. wire should have been champions last year and we should have been this year. we are a laughing stock.

[DaveO]

Several posts in this thread mention Wane has done OK because it is his first year as head coach. He's a rookie.

I really don't agree with this.

There is no such thing as a "rookie" head coach of Wigan. You are the head coach and are expected to deliver.

There is no one on here was posting at the start of the season it would be OK to lose two semi finals due to mistakes made by Wane or because he had been out-coached because he was a rookie.

All Wane had to do was continue on from where Madge left off (and it is what I for one expected him to do). Why change a winning formula? He had two years under Madge as understudy to learn off him.

Instead what does he do? He starts by saying he expects to improve Wigan by winning the games we lost by the odd point and so on. He changes the way the team plays and introduces full contact training etc.

He clearly disagreed with the way Madge did things and that came across in his early interviews and the changes he made prove this.

If you have such courage in your own convictions that you will move so far away from a proven winning formula then you have to expect to be judged on your methods and your results and not let off the hook because it is your first year in the job.

[nellywelly]

Several posts in this thread mention Wane has done OK because it is his first year as head coach. He's a rookie.

I really don't agree with this.

There is no such thing as a "rookie" head coach of Wigan. You are the head coach and are expected to deliver.

There is no one on here was posting at the start of the season it would be OK to lose two semi finals due to mistakes made by Wane or because he had been out-coached because he was a rookie.

All Wane had to do was continue on from where Madge left off (and it is what I for one expected him to do). Why change a winning formula? He had two years under Madge as understudy to learn off him.

Instead what does he do? He starts by saying he expects to improve Wigan by winning the games we lost by the odd point and so on. He changes the way the team plays and introduces full contact training etc.

He clearly disagreed with the way Madge did things and that came across in his early interviews and the changes he made prove this.

If you have such courage in your own convictions that you will move so far away from a proven winning formula then you have to expect to be judged on your methods and your results and not let off the hook because it is your first year in the job.

Got to agree Waney HAS GOT IT WRONG to many times this season and most worryingly in important games. All he had to do was put PAT at full back and play thornley on the wing, to play young Murphy was asking for it. I say just give Wane one more season and see what he can do. He was to cocky early on and needs to learn the season is not won early on

[Andrew0604]

Madge was the breath of fresh air that turned the club around not Wane. I am not supporting a call for him to go.... YET
We will see next season how he does with a team made up with his signings rather than inheriting a team that won trophies in the previous 2 years. He has made some strange decisions this year, think back to Widnes. I also think he has neglected some aspects of the game, relying on the fact that we usually score freely. In tight games the little things make the difference between a win and a loss

[wiganwarriordave]

I have to laugh at this thread, or i'll cry... Seriously... Have you listened to yourselves?

Here are the facts as i see them.

We finished top of the league, made the CC semi-final and came less than a few minutes away from the GF at Old Trafford.... We stuffed Saints 3 out of 4 times, and the time we didn't we still gave them a damn good run for their money with 12 men. Why all the doldrums? We're hardly Widnes or Castleford are we!?!??

The first half of the season, we were formidable, ruthless, and very impressive. Add to this some poor RFL disciplinary decisions, the farcical Exiles match in which we lost Tommy, and had to turn-around a lot of players in a short period. And we dropped form. Is this Wane's fault? No. Not in my opinion. He did the upmost with what he had.

Wane has appeased what Wigan fans have been wanting for many seasons in investing in youth. We've offered a few debuts, and IMO those individuals have performed well. The "rookies" of yesteryear (Charnley, Goulding etc) are now developing into solid experienced players who before long IMO will also become powerhouses of the next England RL generation, and for certain the foundations of the Wigan team for years to come.

As for the starting of this thread and the Leeds semi game. SW had a game plan, both in attack and defense. Swapping Pat to FB and dropping someone else in at wing puts players out of the positions they have trained for all week. Jack for Sam was a straight swap with less ramifications. And as stated earlier in this thread, Jack has impressed, and shown his ability under the high ball and had earner this opportunity. As for his performance, i thought he played well. The balls he dropped were very tough calls. Unless you have ever played FB in an RL game, or attempted to catch a high ball (or in particular, a high ball while being charged by 13 other blokes), you can't comment... I have (and yes, i dropped em too!). For those that are blaming Jack specifically. After watching the Wigan/Leeds game, did you go on to watch the Warrington/Saints semi and the Melbourne/Canterbury NRL final and see Brett Hodgson and Billy Slater fumble similar kicks??

The reason we lost the semi was a combination in my eyes...
a) Not having the aggression of Micky Mac
b) Lockers out of position covering for a)
c) Lack of Sam's attacking prowess, chiming into the line, kicking, creating overlaps, stepping and 2nd phases.
d) We only turned up for 40 minutes. The first half we looked clueless, Finchy was throwing passes to ground, we rarely had any dummy runners, we didn't build pressure and force repeat sets. We we're getting caught in possession and just looked out of sorts. Anyone remember Hock putting the fifth tackle kick in!?!?
e) Sinfield was pure world class and battered us all game. Lets take off our Cherry & White tinted glasses and applaud an opposition opponent when he plays a blinder.

The fact that we got within 2 points after going in at halftime against the current champions 11 points down is testament to Wigan. But those blaming SW, or JM are well out of order IMO.

[cpwigan]

I have to laugh at this thread, or i'll cry... Seriously... Have you listened to yourselves?

Here are the facts as i see them.

We finished top of the league, made the CC semi-final and came less than a few minutes away from the GF at Old Trafford.... We stuffed Saints 3 out of 4 times, and the time we didn't we still gave them a damn good run for their money with 12 men. Why all the doldrums? We're hardly Widnes or Castleford are we!?!??

The first half of the season, we were formidable, ruthless, and very impressive. Add to this some poor RFL disciplinary decisions, the farcical Exiles match in which we lost Tommy, and had to turn-around a lot of players in a short period. And we dropped form. Is this Wane's fault? No. Not in my opinion. He did the upmost with what he had.

Wane has appeased what Wigan fans have been wanting for many seasons in investing in youth. We've offered a few debuts, and IMO those individuals have performed well. The "rookies" of yesteryear (Charnley, Goulding etc) are now developing into solid experienced players who before long IMO will also become powerhouses of the next England RL generation, and for certain the foundations of the Wigan team for years to come.

As for the starting of this thread and the Leeds semi game. SW had a game plan, both in attack and defense. Swapping Pat to FB and dropping someone else in at wing puts players out of the positions they have trained for all week. Jack for Sam was a straight swap with less ramifications. And as stated earlier in this thread, Jack has impressed, and shown his ability under the high ball and had earner this opportunity. As for his performance, i thought he played well. The balls he dropped were very tough calls. Unless you have ever played FB in an RL game, or attempted to catch a high ball (or in particular, a high ball while being charged by 13 other blokes), you can't comment... I have (and yes, i dropped em too!). For those that are blaming Jack specifically. After watching the Wigan/Leeds game, did you go on to watch the Warrington/Saints semi and the Melbourne/Canterbury NRL final and see Brett Hodgson and Billy Slater fumble similar kicks??

The reason we lost the semi was a combination in my eyes...
a) Not having the aggression of Micky Mac
b) Lockers out of position covering for a)
c) Lack of Sam's attacking prowess, chiming into the line, kicking, creating overlaps, stepping and 2nd phases.
d) We only turned up for 40 minutes. The first half we looked clueless, Finchy was throwing passes to ground, we rarely had any dummy runners, we didn't build pressure and force repeat sets. We we're getting caught in possession and just looked out of sorts. Anyone remember Hock putting the fifth tackle kick in!?!?
e) Sinfield was pure world class and battered us all game. Lets take off our Cherry & White tinted glasses and applaud an opposition opponent when he plays a blinder.

The fact that we got within 2 points after going in at halftime against the current champions 11 points down is testament to Wigan. But those blaming SW, or JM are well out of order IMO.

Do you honestly think Wigan 2012 would have been good enough to beat Wire at OT? I will tell you what I think NO. We are some way behind Wire now. The only saving grace is that we will not be beaten easily at OT.

You can write a paragraph saying why we lost and how we only lost by a point. We LOST. Half your reason are pointless because guess what we lost in the CC Semi too. On both occasions we were not good enough when it mattered. Do you honestly think winning the hub cap is an achievement? Did Leeds try when we were flat track bullying them by 50 points Did Wire try to win every game or did they rest and blood youngsters? Did Saints even have a recognised coach for half the season?

BTW, if you think Sinfield is world class then you obviously watch a different sport than I do and see him pounded every time he comes up against genuine world class opposition like Australia.

We have a coach who was given 2 years priceless education and had the foundations laid. What did he do? Ignored it, criticised it because he and Gary Schofield knew better. Not much difference between Waney and Schoey, would you be happy with Schoey as Wigan coach?

Jack Murphy should have never been near that game. A major mistake by Waney. The biggest asking players to play a way they are not comfortable with under pressure. We had everything go for us in that game bar the last 30 seconds, before that ever call, every slice of luck went our way. Even when we improved in the 2nd half Leeds got the ball over the try line only to lose it, got in a try scoring position only to pass it to a Wigan player. Leeds could have won that game by 12 points or more.

The expectation at Wigan is success and winning. If you cannot hack as a coach or a full back somebody else comes in.

[mikey]

Still suffering from friday and listening, watching and reading everything about the match, forget murphy error in 76 mins, it was our last set play before his error FINCH ball in hand with a shocking attempt on the last to put the ball away and kill the clock.Instead he kicks down the wing to a leeds player and from the set sinfield does the rest .