Reason to be cheerful - Matty Smith

[platt-warrior]

That is correct.

[slimshady]

Neither is Tommy at 7, but he isnt a bad hooker as he won a world cup. World Class is a word that is used far to often and in regard to lots of good players. For me Tommy could never control a game like the great players could, ok he put the odd big hit on or scored the odd try but to say he is world class is stretching the imagination to far.

[thegimble]

Neither is Tommy at 7, but he isnt a bad hooker as he won a world cup. World Class is a word that is used far to often and in regard to lots of good players. For me Tommy could never control a game like the great players could, ok he put the odd big hit on or scored the odd try but to say he is world class is stretching the imagination to far.

No your wrong World Class is anyone who leaves us to some people.

Tommy was an exceptional Super League player and one of the toughest for his size. World Class he is not.

Last overseas world class player we had and I know i will get hammered for it on here George Carmont without a doubt if he showed that form in the NRL he would have got into the New Zealand side. He got better with age players can develop that way. Fielden was over his best before he got to us but Carmont hit his peak with us.

And that's what I think Smith will do just as TL did with us he got better as a player. Tbh never mind who we sign now they get instantly bracketed with Moran and that is unfair. And who ever leaves us gets bracketed with players like Faz etc.

If Smith goes well next season we will usually see the people who thinks he is poor deny posting such things. I remember the pasting Richards got on his first season and he played out of position. He turned out ok.

What I do expect next season is better control of the kicking game and we have lacked that for the best part of a decade. For me only Dobson and Deacon have put any sort of control in that aspect of the game.

[Wes]

Carmont is not world class either, very poor hands and distribution for a world class centre.

Jennings, hodges, inglis, Lyon, matuia, morris etc etc etc

[Warriors Forever]

Carnont is world class and we will realise how good he was next season

[Wes]

He's a very good centre but he is not world class.

If he did a couple of years in NRL he wouldn't even make origin!

[DaveO]

Neither is Tommy at 7, but he isnt a bad hooker as he won a world cup. World Class is a word that is used far to often and in regard to lots of good players. For me Tommy could never control a game like the great players could, ok he put the odd big hit on or scored the odd try but to say he is world class is stretching the imagination to far.

No your wrong World Class is anyone who leaves us to some people.

Yawn.

I am not wrong about this:

"However even of the coach gets it right with how to play these two that doesn't mean it automatically follows they will be as good as what we have lost in Tommy and Brett. For that to be so they have to have the same levels of raw talent and skills. I know very little about Green in that regard but I am not confident Smith has."

Tommy and Finch are better players though of the two we have signed I will give Green the benefit of the doubt as I know so little about him. Tommy is streets ahead of Smith in every department except kicking.

Tommy was an exceptional Super League player and one of the toughest for his size. World Class he is not.

He is a current NZ international and won a World Cup with NZ.

Last overseas world class player we had and I know i will get hammered for it on here George Carmont without a doubt if he showed that form in the NRL he would have got into the New Zealand side. He got better with age players can develop that way. Fielden was over his best before he got to us but Carmont hit his peak with us.

If you have the opinion George is world class you are in no position to say Tommy and Finch are not. It is a matter of opinion in both cases.

And that's what I think Smith will do just as TL did with us he got better as a player. Tbh never mind who we sign now they get instantly bracketed with Moran and that is unfair. And who ever leaves us gets bracketed with players like Faz etc.

He is not being likened to Moran but is being assessed on the ability he has shown as a player.

If we sign anyone from another club and based on how he has played in SL someone posts they are not impressed or have reservations the accusations start flying around.

The same happened when we signed Lauaki. I said he had been average for Hull and didn't see why he would be any different here. I got the same sort of comments back. He will improve etc. Well he is no different here than at Hull - average and that should be no surprise to anyone.

If Smith goes well next season we will usually see the people who thinks he is poor deny posting such things. I remember the pasting Richards got on his first season and he played out of position. He turned out ok.

People bring up Richards every time someone expresses reservations about a player it seems as someone who improved as if everyone is bound to which is of course not the case.

It is a poor analogy anyway because what actually happened is once Noble took over and put him in the wing it was touch and go if the injured Dallas would have got his place back! It happened in the same season.

People also slated Barrett for a slow start when he had a calf injury but anyone who had seen him play new it was a matter of time before his class would win out and it did. Smith isn't coming here as a class player with that kind of reputation.

If he improves it will be a pleasant surprise but based on the evidence of how he has played so far it is not a forgone conclusion he will. The odds are against it based on an objective assessment.

I hope I am wrong but I am not the only one who has reservations based on what he has shown so far.

[cpwigan]

Tommy was a very unique player. More individual talent than an old fashioned half back stereotype. It took Tommy some time to become the player he is and even now like all players he has limitations.

Perhaps Smith and Green AND Powell should be afforded the dame time / opportunity ?

Snith and Green are of an age to allow Powell / Williams / Hampshire the time to develop.

[cpwigan]

Just to add world class is a very dangerous tag to add to ANYBODY. How many players are world class? 17-25 in the world? How many Wigan players are world class? Lockers?

[thegimble]

Neither is Tommy at 7, but he isnt a bad hooker as he won a world cup. World Class is a word that is used far to often and in regard to lots of good players. For me Tommy could never control a game like the great players could, ok he put the odd big hit on or scored the odd try but to say he is world class is stretching the imagination to far.

No your wrong World Class is anyone who leaves us to some people.

Yawn.

I am not wrong about this:

"However even of the coach gets it right with how to play these two that doesn't mean it automatically follows they will be as good as what we have lost in Tommy and Brett. For that to be so they have to have the same levels of raw talent and skills. I know very little about Green in that regard but I am not confident Smith has."

Tommy and Finch are better players though of the two we have signed I will give Green the benefit of the doubt as I know so little about him. Tommy is streets ahead of Smith in every department except kicking.

Tommy was an exceptional Super League player and one of the toughest for his size. World Class he is not.

He is a current NZ international and won a World Cup with NZ.

Last overseas world class player we had and I know i will get hammered for it on here George Carmont without a doubt if he showed that form in the NRL he would have got into the New Zealand side. He got better with age players can develop that way. Fielden was over his best before he got to us but Carmont hit his peak with us.

If you have the opinion George is world class you are in no position to say Tommy and Finch are not. It is a matter of opinion in both cases.

And that's what I think Smith will do just as TL did with us he got better as a player. Tbh never mind who we sign now they get instantly bracketed with Moran and that is unfair. And who ever leaves us gets bracketed with players like Faz etc.

He is not being likened to Moran but is being assessed on the ability he has shown as a player.

If we sign anyone from another club and based on how he has played in SL someone posts they are not impressed or have reservations the accusations start flying around.

The same happened when we signed Lauaki. I said he had been average for Hull and didn't see why he would be any different here. I got the same sort of comments back. He will improve etc. Well he is no different here than at Hull - average and that should be no surprise to anyone.

If Smith goes well next season we will usually see the people who thinks he is poor deny posting such things. I remember the pasting Richards got on his first season and he played out of position. He turned out ok.

People bring up Richards every time someone expresses reservations about a player it seems as someone who improved as if everyone is bound to which is of course not the case.

It is a poor analogy anyway because what actually happened is once Noble took over and put him in the wing it was touch and go if the injured Dallas would have got his place back! It happened in the same season.

People also slated Barrett for a slow start when he had a calf injury but anyone who had seen him play new it was a matter of time before his class would win out and it did. Smith isn't coming here as a class player with that kind of reputation.

If he improves it will be a pleasant surprise but based on the evidence of how he has played so far it is not a forgone conclusion he will. The odds are against it based on an objective assessment.

I hope I am wrong but I am not the only one who has reservations based on what he has shown so far.

So you disagree nice of you let me know will sleep better now

TL has won the World Cup but was that as a hooker can remember him been dropped and switched to hooker. A world class player is a player that can handle pressure and Finch buckled more often than not. Hence why we played panic rugby as he has no kicking game to get us out of problems.

Both Semis he was poor.

Its a question of how you see life and i bet your glass is always empty.