I'm afraid I'll need more than that!Emraz wrote:"How players get looked after in union off the field far outweighs league by 10 times.”
Josie,these are Sam's own words taken from an interview with him,so do you know the whole story?
By the way I'm not bitter and I certainly am not a little man !
The clue is in the name!
Sam staying???????
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Just a minute, I'll text Sam up and ask him to give you a call.Kittwazzer wrote:I'm afraid I'll need more than that!Emraz wrote:"How players get looked after in union off the field far outweighs league by 10 times.”
Josie,these are Sam's own words taken from an interview with him,so do you know the whole story?
By the way I'm not bitter and I certainly am not a little man !
The clue is in the name!
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Excuse me but when has Sam ever said he is staying, going, staying or going?R Douglas wrote:Agreed,it's not all Sam,but it just needs putting to bed now,he has let himself down and all this staying ,going,staying ,going is not doing anything for our team or our prep for the playoffs.
'If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them.' - Wayne Bennett
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He was on about your name!!R Douglas wrote:Just a minute, I'll text Sam up and ask him to give you a call.Kittwazzer wrote:I'm afraid I'll need more than that!Emraz wrote:"How players get looked after in union off the field far outweighs league by 10 times.”
Josie,these are Sam's own words taken from an interview with him,so do you know the whole story?
By the way I'm not bitter and I certainly am not a little man !
The clue is in the name!
'If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them.' - Wayne Bennett
Re: Ungrateful Sam
And I am guessing that the bitter little man is an "Em"!?R Douglas wrote:Just a minute, I'll text Sam up and ask him to give you a call.Kittwazzer wrote:I'm afraid I'll need more than that!Emraz wrote:"How players get looked after in union off the field far outweighs league by 10 times.”
Josie,these are Sam's own words taken from an interview with him,so do you know the whole story?
By the way I'm not bitter and I certainly am not a little man !
The clue is in the name!
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Re: Ungrateful Sam
Firstly I don't hide behind a nom de plume & I have no idea what the clue is to your name.Emraz wrote:"How players get looked after in union off the field far outweighs league by 10 times.”
Josie,these are Sam's own words taken from an interview with him,so do you know the whole story?
By the way I'm not bitter and I certainly am not a little man !
The clue is in the name!
Sam is correct in what he has said. Every other sport, including & mostly RU, looks after their players loads more than RL.
See http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan ... c&o=869071
Also why is he ungrateful? He has given his all for this club, even as a kid, & for England/GB.
We the fans, Wigan & other teams, are ungrateful to even begrudge him wanting to test himself elsewhere. There isn't this furore about other players leaving for other codes or the NRL.
To be booed playing for your team is one thing, but to be booed & then cheered when you are tackled & hurt, in some circumstances, IMO is despicable. Joel could not come to terms with it when they played at Leeds v the Exiles & helped change his outlook on playing RL greatly.
He may not make it, but at least let him have the opportunity try & wish him luck, because I do.
I am grateful to have been able to see the talent, that is Sam Tomkins, play for Wigan from being a kid & growing into an excellent player & a very nice polite young man.
Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
Re: Ungrateful Sam
Thank you for thatjosie andrews wrote:Firstly I don't hide behind a nom de plume & I have no idea what the clue is to your name.Emraz wrote:"How players get looked after in union off the field far outweighs league by 10 times.”
Josie,these are Sam's own words taken from an interview with him,so do you know the whole story?
By the way I'm not bitter and I certainly am not a little man !
The clue is in the name!
Sam is correct in what he has said. Every other sport, including & mostly RU, looks after their players loads more than RL.
See http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan ... c&o=869071
Also why is he ungrateful? He has given his all for this club, even as a kid, & for England/GB.
We the fans, Wigan & other teams, are ungrateful to even begrudge him wanting to test himself elsewhere. There isn't this furore about other players leaving for other codes or the NRL.
To be booed playing for your team is one thing, but to be booed & then cheered when you are tackled & hurt, in some circumstances, IMO is despicable. Joel could not come to terms with it when they played at Leeds v the Exiles & helped change his outlook on playing RL greatly.
He may not make it, but at least let him have the opportunity try & wish him luck, because I do.
I am grateful to have been able to see the talent, that is Sam Tomkins, play for Wigan from being a kid & growing into an excellent player & a very nice polite young man.
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Re: Ungrateful Sam
You're welcomeR Douglas wrote:Thank you for thatjosie andrews wrote:Firstly I don't hide behind a nom de plume & I have no idea what the clue is to your name.Emraz wrote:"How players get looked after in union off the field far outweighs league by 10 times.”
Josie,these are Sam's own words taken from an interview with him,so do you know the whole story?
By the way I'm not bitter and I certainly am not a little man !
The clue is in the name!
Sam is correct in what he has said. Every other sport, including & mostly RU, looks after their players loads more than RL.
See http://www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan ... c&o=869071
Also why is he ungrateful? He has given his all for this club, even as a kid, & for England/GB.
We the fans, Wigan & other teams, are ungrateful to even begrudge him wanting to test himself elsewhere. There isn't this furore about other players leaving for other codes or the NRL.
To be booed playing for your team is one thing, but to be booed & then cheered when you are tackled & hurt, in some circumstances, IMO is despicable. Joel could not come to terms with it when they played at Leeds v the Exiles & helped change his outlook on playing RL greatly.
He may not make it, but at least let him have the opportunity try & wish him luck, because I do.
I am grateful to have been able to see the talent, that is Sam Tomkins, play for Wigan from being a kid & growing into an excellent player & a very nice polite young man.

Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
Re: Ungrateful Sam
My wife (Emraz) somehow managed to log on as me and appears to have caused an uproar!
Think it's fair to say that any of us would change jobs if the pay was better and you got better looked after. We're all mercenary to some extent. But I wouldn't announce that i will leave in the future and that some other company would look after me ten times better, and expect it not to upset my current work colleagues, direct reports and manager. He's definitely said this and he's out of order. Of course we all know he'd get "looked after" better, as do his team mates who will be "suffering" playing rugby league, after he's moved on to "better" things, hence why I think that our team spirit and form has gone AWOL.
At the end of the day, if he gives 100% until the day he leaves, who are any of us to complain but at the moment, for whatever reason, this doesn't appear to be the case. When you're taking about 20% of the salary cap, this isn't conducive to good team morale.
I'm sure if he gets his decision for next year announced, it will clear his mind and allow him to focus on what he does best. Either not knowing or announcing what he's doing, is definitely affecting him, the team and us.
Think it's fair to say that any of us would change jobs if the pay was better and you got better looked after. We're all mercenary to some extent. But I wouldn't announce that i will leave in the future and that some other company would look after me ten times better, and expect it not to upset my current work colleagues, direct reports and manager. He's definitely said this and he's out of order. Of course we all know he'd get "looked after" better, as do his team mates who will be "suffering" playing rugby league, after he's moved on to "better" things, hence why I think that our team spirit and form has gone AWOL.
At the end of the day, if he gives 100% until the day he leaves, who are any of us to complain but at the moment, for whatever reason, this doesn't appear to be the case. When you're taking about 20% of the salary cap, this isn't conducive to good team morale.
I'm sure if he gets his decision for next year announced, it will clear his mind and allow him to focus on what he does best. Either not knowing or announcing what he's doing, is definitely affecting him, the team and us.
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Re: Ungrateful Sam
Hear, hear! :eusa2: :eusa2:josie andrews wrote:
I am grateful to have been able to see the talent, that is Sam Tomkins, play for Wigan from being a kid & growing into an excellent player & a very nice polite young man.
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